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7D mkII. What do you think the specs and price will be?

 
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Mar 09, 2014 21:36 |  #331

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An AA filter does add a little bit of cost. But you can't remove it and get away with it - the AA filter does two separate things. Besides being a low-pass filter, it is also the protection on top of the extremely fragile sensor.

When people are buying sensor-cleaning kits, they aren't. They are buying AA-cleaning kits. If the camera manufacturers starts to ship cameras without any AA filter that just means that the extra protective glass in front of the sensor should have two smooth surfaces, instead of having one smooth and one frosted side. So no real cost reduction by skipping that AA filter.

And there is yet another aspect too - the sensor doesn't just need AA + mechanical protection. It also needs IR filtering.

If you send the camera in to a company that modifies the camera, then you get to pay for having a clear optical glass fitted instead.

I don't think it's a simple as you make it to be. There are multiple filter elements in both cameras with an AA filter and ones without. It seems to be how the filters behave. Here is a good picture showing the differance between the D800 and D800e.
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Mar 10, 2014 02:06 |  #332

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Wishful thinking.

indeed.


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Mar 10, 2014 02:18 |  #333

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I don't think it's a simple as you make it to be. There are multiple filter elements in both cameras with an AA filter and ones without. It seems to be how the filters behave. Here is a good picture showing the differance between the D800 and D800e.
http://cdn0.mos.techra​dar.futurecdn.net …0low%20pass%20f​ilters.jpg (external link)

No, it isn't exactly as simple - it's normally a sandwich. And with surface-treatments. But the important thing here is that you can't just remove an AA filter without inserting something else instead because it is a part of the optical path. The only way to get some real economical gain would be if all the filters could be removed, but then it wouldn't be possible to protect the sensor.

So there are no real economical gain by removing the AA filter. And there is a very significant increase in logistics costs to try to have multiple camera models.


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Mar 12, 2014 12:44 |  #334

Do I remember it correctly that the D800e not only has the original AA filter but has a filter on top of that to "cancel it out"?


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Mar 12, 2014 14:14 |  #335

It has one two AA halves that are adjusted to cancel instead of one AA half for vertical and one AA half for horisontal distribution of the light.


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Mar 12, 2014 14:16 |  #336

andrikos wrote in post #16753365 (external link)
Do I remember it correctly that the D800e not only has the original AA filter but has a filter on top of that to "cancel it out"?

The link I posted to the filter stack was for the D800 and D800e.


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Mar 12, 2014 14:22 |  #337

OK cool, that's what I thought.

I wonder how much more detailed the a7R's pictures are compared to those of the D800e.


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Mar 12, 2014 15:01 |  #338

You wont regret the move to new glass. I got a few primes and a few L lenses to replace my kit glass, and I can say wholeheartedly that the decision to do so was the right move. I have the 70-200 F4 (no-IS) and it is fantastic. I also have the 17-40 F4 which is a beast itself. If I had to do it all over again, I would have just bought a body only and just gone with the lenses I currently have.

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Mar 14, 2014 05:44 |  #339

andrikos wrote in post #16753592 (external link)
OK cool, that's what I thought.

I wonder how much more detailed the a7R's pictures are compared to those of the D800e.

I haven't seen a similar graphic for the A7r filter, but it does have some sort of filter in front of the sensor.


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Mar 14, 2014 10:58 |  #340

The reason excluding video wouldn't be cheaper is that Canon has already spent the money on the R&D and engineering to make it work. So, it has already made the cameras more expensive. There is no going back.

Plus, if Canon were to offer a DSLR without video, I suspect it would have the same guts, just have video disabled. I would want a camera engineered without the video circuitry, and that would cost much more. In fact, that would require Canon to reverse course.

The AA filter, may not be as difficult. Canon really gouged and screwed it up, but the 60Da is really just a 60D with the IR filter removed. They didn't need to 2X the markup to do that, but they did. They also selected a very poor choice of filters to replace it. It doesn't pass nearly as much Ha as it should. But, AFAIK, they were impressed with their sales.


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Mar 14, 2014 12:07 |  #341

I'm still waiting to see if they're going to come out with the Mark II or not? Getting ready to get a 70D to replace my 30D and back up my 7D. I'd much rather go with a 7D Mark II if they make some improvements but the 30D is wearing out.




  
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Mar 15, 2014 14:51 |  #342

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These are my updated specs for the 7DII:

24MP
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Mar 29, 2014 04:54 |  #343

andrikos wrote in post #15340779 (external link)
So, it looks like the new 7D mkII will be released/announced around Feb next year

That prediction was nearly 16 months ago so I am guessing the OPs source wasn't very reliable...


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Mar 29, 2014 08:07 |  #344

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That prediction was nearly 16 months ago so I am guessing the OPs source wasn't very reliable...

And then it was going to be Nov. 2013, then March 2014, now I'm hearing that it could possible be Oct. 2014. I'm starting to think that there will be no 7DII.


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Mar 29, 2014 08:26 |  #345

gjl711 wrote in post #16794600 (external link)
And then it was going to be Nov. 2013, then March 2014, now I'm hearing that it could possible be Oct. 2014. I'm starting to think that there will be no 7DII.

I've been thinking this for quite a while now. I think Canon has gotten themselves SO far behind that they simply can't catch up. Why introduce a successor to phenomenal camera when, at it's introduction, it won't be special in any way? I think, possibly, the hole is too deep.


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