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Apr 01, 2014 00:56 |  #31

OhLook wrote in post #16800763 (external link)
I'm not familiar with this feature. No DSLR here, just a G.

Thanks!


And I think that might explain it, because this varies by camera model.

Which means that I'm gonna stop my role in this right now. Some cameras operate like you said, some operate like I said, but the person who started this thread DEFINITELY doesn't need to be thinking about any of that right now and how the actual mechanics depend on what camera he has. The bottom line is "more light equals brighter image, less light equals darker image" and that concept applies regardless of what camera he is using.




  
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Apr 01, 2014 13:08 |  #32

Clean Gene wrote in post #16800809 (external link)
The bottom line is "more light equals brighter image, less light equals darker image" and that concept applies regardless of what camera he is using.

I think he knows that. He just needs to get comfortable with the numerical scales for the three contributors to exposure, so that knowing which way to go becomes easy.

Higher number for the denominator in shutter speed sends LESS light to the sensor

Higher number for aperture (again, this is a denominator) sends LESS light to the sensor

Higher number for ISO sends MORE light to the sensor


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Apr 01, 2014 13:40 |  #33

OhLook wrote in post #16801877 (external link)
Higher number for ISO sends MORE light to the sensor

No - higher numbers for ISO just makes the sensor more light-sensitive. But turning up the amplifier to make the sensor more sensitive also adds more noise.


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Apr 01, 2014 15:48 |  #34

pwm2 wrote in post #16801954 (external link)
No - higher numbers for ISO just makes the sensor more light-sensitive.

Well, okay, how about this: higher numbers for ISO make the picture lighter?


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Apr 01, 2014 16:51 |  #35

I actually like the overexposed out of focus winter image. it has it's own artful patina or look. manual is useful for forcing the camera to use auto-iso to adjust exposure while the aperture and shutter speed are fixed. I use lenses which have manual aperture rings but the camera controls the shutter speed and auto-iso when enabled. The other setting I use is A for aperture priority (manual aperture ring) and constant ISO. In this case the shutter speed varies. It depends on the lens and whether I use mirror lockup or high shutter speeds (to loose focus due to mirror slap or camera jitter).




  
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Apr 02, 2014 04:24 |  #36

With all this advice, you must have a better shot you can post here now?


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Apr 02, 2014 17:04 |  #37

Martin Dixon wrote in post #16803508 (external link)
With all this advice, you must have a better shot you can post here now?

Not yet I have been busy with other things hope to get another one up the weekend.




  
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Apr 02, 2014 17:05 |  #38
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^^^Quick question: Are you serious about learning photography?


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Apr 02, 2014 18:47 |  #39

Brain Mechanic wrote in post #16805000 (external link)
^^^Quick question: Are you serious about learning photography?

Sure am. But I have other things that go on and cannot walk around with a camera in my hand all the time. I work during the day and have honey do list so the weekend is about all the time I have and sometimes I do not have that....is this forum all of a sudden for just photographers that walk around with a camera all the time? If I was not serious I would not have spent what I did for that Canon.




  
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Apr 02, 2014 18:56 |  #40

ThinMan wrote in post #16805233 (external link)
is this forum all of a sudden for just photographers that walk around with a camera all the time?

No, it isn't. Please post when you can get to it.


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ThinMan wrote in post #16805233 (external link)
Sure am. But I have other things that go on and cannot walk around with a camera in my hand all the time. I work during the day and have honey do list so the weekend is about all the time I have and sometimes I do not have that....is this forum all of a sudden for just photographers that walk around with a camera all the time? If I was not serious I would not have spent what I did for that Canon.

Spending money on photographic equipment does not means any real intention of learning photography. I do not walk around with a camera all the time and I also have a very demanding work. Good luck in whatever you end up doing with your camera.


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Apr 03, 2014 18:10 |  #42

Brain Mechanic wrote in post #16805508 (external link)
Spending money on photographic equipment does not means any real intention of learning photography. I do not walk around with a camera all the time and I also have a very demanding work. Good luck in whatever you end up doing with your camera.

Spending money on photographic equipment does not means any real intention of learning photography.

You are absolutely right. My original intention when I bought the camera was to do gravestone photography and I still plan on doing this occasionally. I am still finding my feet with this. And for its worth I have taken some more photos and will post them in this thread the weekend. And I can say they are a lot better than my first incident with the barn. Thanks to some excellent explanations here on ISO, exposure, and aperture I am getting the hang of it and using MANUAL to do it.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 20:52 as a reply to  @ ThinMan's post |  #43

I'm not quite sure why it is, but every once in a while, a thread seems to take off in the wrong direction. The recent "6D is Better for Sports than 7D" thread comes to mind.
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1364469
OP - I do sense a bit of indignation in some of your responses - not that some of the replies haven't been a somewhat contributing factor. That said, and hopefully moving on - this website, and the vast majority of the users that make up its community, are not only some of the most knowledgeable and talented photographers amassed in one site - they are also for the most part some of the most giving, considerate and helpful to those willing to take their advice and learn. Sounds like you have some incredible gear starting out - the fact you've taken to using manual is a huge first step in learning and understanding the functions of the components in the "exposure triangle". Be patient - shoot as much as possible - and analyze the results and what you can do to alter the results by changing any one, or combination of those 3 components of proper exposure. Be grateful of the advice presented here, even if it's not wrapped up in a pretty bow - you'll benefit greatly from the huge wealth of knowledge and skill just waiting to be tapped into. Looking forward to seeing more of what you shoot.


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Apr 03, 2014 22:01 |  #44

BigLobowski wrote in post #16808225 (external link)
I'm not quite sure why it is, but every once in a while, a thread seems to take off in the wrong direction. The recent "6D is Better for Sports than 7D" thread comes to mind.
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1364469
OP - I do sense a bit of indignation in some of your responses - not that some of the replies haven't been a somewhat contributing factor. That said, and hopefully moving on - this website, and the vast majority of the users that make up its community, are not only some of the most knowledgeable and talented photographers amassed in one site - they are also for the most part some of the most giving, considerate and helpful to those willing to take their advice and learn. Sounds like you have some incredible gear starting out - the fact you've taken to using manual is a huge first step in learning and understanding the functions of the components in the "exposure triangle". Be patient - shoot as much as possible - and analyze the results and what you can do to alter the results by changing any one, or combination of those 3 components of proper exposure. Be grateful of the advice presented here, even if it's not wrapped up in a pretty bow - you'll benefit greatly from the huge wealth of knowledge and skill just waiting to be tapped into. Looking forward to seeing more of what you shoot.

What he said!! Post up some pics with the exposure info and we can tell you exactly where you are right and where you are wrong!


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Apr 04, 2014 05:06 |  #45

BigLobowski wrote in post #16808225 (external link)
I'm not quite sure why it is, but every once in a while, a thread seems to take off in the wrong direction. The recent "6D is Better for Sports than 7D" thread comes to mind.
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1364469
OP - I do sense a bit of indignation in some of your responses - not that some of the replies haven't been a somewhat contributing factor. That said, and hopefully moving on - this website, and the vast majority of the users that make up its community, are not only some of the most knowledgeable and talented photographers amassed in one site - they are also for the most part some of the most giving, considerate and helpful to those willing to take their advice and learn. Sounds like you have some incredible gear starting out - the fact you've taken to using manual is a huge first step in learning and understanding the functions of the components in the "exposure triangle". Be patient - shoot as much as possible - and analyze the results and what you can do to alter the results by changing any one, or combination of those 3 components of proper exposure. Be grateful of the advice presented here, even if it's not wrapped up in a pretty bow - you'll benefit greatly from the huge wealth of knowledge and skill just waiting to be tapped into. Looking forward to seeing more of what you shoot.

I'm not quite sure why it is, but every once in a while, a thread seems to take off in the wrong direction. The recent "6D is Better for Sports than 7D" thread comes to mind.

Yeah it has....if a Mod sees this thread close it.

OP - I do sense a bit of indignation in some of your responses - not that some of the replies haven't been a somewhat contributing factor.

Nope. And how so? This is not an Ancient Text site please do not read more into what is not there.

Sounds like you have some incredible gear starting out -

I do. And the fact that one poster decided to take a pot shot at my seriousness about this pissed me off.

I will pleasantly let this go and go find another forum. Or start my own, hell I got V Bulletin to.




  
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