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Apr 03, 2014 03:59 |  #46

DreDaze wrote in post #16805569 (external link)
dead for a reason? most of the threads he's commenting on never even had a reply so nobody's really looking at them again, they're looking at them for the first time...

Replies and views are two different things. No idea what it was before, but this thread had 1,700 views, so they are not being looked at for the first time.

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If all of you would have always been doing what I'm doing now, then there wouldn't be 12 years of backed up unanswered questions.

Jeez, check your ego at the door. All you are doing is pissing people off. Do you really think someone is going to say "hey...that thread I posted 8 years ago, I will head over to PotN and see if it got bumped up."


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Apr 03, 2014 05:20 |  #47

Adharr wrote in post #16806173 (external link)
And if you want to look at any current topic, it's very easy to just click to page 2 or 3 and you can see what has been talked about over the last 24 to 48 hours.

No, it isn't. The display doesn't tell you the date the first post in the thread was made. You clearly lack attention to detail - as with searching for threads with no answers and not checking the date. Why then should I believe any answer you give to a photographic question?

Well, your answer about bokeh was wrong.

All it takes is a periodic commitment of 20 minutes every month from people on here to look for questions that only have 1 or 0 replies, and then there would never be unanswered questions.

You fail to understand that the kind of answer you give depends on the audience. The answer to "what is bokeh?" is a case in point. If it's a beginner asking, I'd just talk about the use of shallow depth of field and point out if you're going to use it it might as well look good. If it's someone who clearly uses the effect, they must be asking for a discussion on how to describe and classify it. So there is no one list of answers like a TV quiz.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 05:34 |  #48

Aw bless, this must be Adharr's first forum! :p




  
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Apr 03, 2014 06:03 |  #49

I have done my share of replying to a zombie thread on a few occasions: by searching a topic such as 24L vs 24L II when I was looking into the differences without starting a new thread, by not noticing the date of the last responders.
Perhaps a valid suggestion would be to have threads that has a final reply older than a year ago locked automatically?
Or threads older than 5 years locked automatically; or thread where the OP has not posted in over a year lock automatically?
That way the explanations and descriptions given are still accessible to someone searching, and it keeps the threads fresh.
Should the OP or a reader have additional questions, they can always start a new thread. Win - Win situation.


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Apr 03, 2014 06:30 |  #50

At the end of the day these type of threads could be useful to someone else who just recently joined, sure dude may be gone but their may be a new member who has a question about bokeh and this would be the perfect search and find thread, wouldn't a new thread about the same thing 900 times be more annoying than a thread that already has the answers in it?

I hate when people think they own the forum, or like there or some super rules that go without saying but yet they are suppose to be followed.


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Apr 03, 2014 07:14 |  #51

And now this joker is sending PMs, too? Give it a ****ing rest, man.


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Apr 03, 2014 07:17 |  #52

KeenanRIVALS wrote in post #16806372 (external link)
...wouldn't a new thread about the same thing 900 times be more annoying than a thread that already has the answers in it?

Considering this thread had no answers in it at all, no.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 08:06 |  #53
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melcat wrote in post #16806433 (external link)
Considering this thread had no answers in it at all, no.

Like I said. I am happy to provide answers to questions that went unanswered. And I think we would all be better off if everyone spent some time every so often going back through the threads and looking for unanswered questions.


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Apr 03, 2014 08:25 as a reply to  @ Adharr's post |  #54

don't sweat it Adharr. You've done exactly the right thing by listening to the mods, nothing else to worry about.

This morning I noticed you bumped a bunch of threads (all less than a week old) and it reminded me of a guy on another forum who was notorious for doing things differently. He let other people's opinions of him stress him out too much and eventually left the forum. It was too bad too because he had a lot to contribute.

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Apr 03, 2014 08:37 |  #55

Adharr wrote in post #16806517 (external link)
I am happy to provide answers to questions that went unanswered.

Apparently you didn't find the following thread started more than a year after this one:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=233259

So, actually, the question was asked and answered. I didn't read it, but on the face of it a thread with a well-posed question and numerous answers including posted image examples might... just might be a better one to add to instead of this one.

And there's no denying you're happy - but by your own account half the people reading are not.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 08:44 |  #56

Adharr wrote in post #16806173 (external link)
if you want to look at any current topic, it's very easy to just click to page 2 or 3 and you can see what has been talked about over the last 24 to 48 hours. It's like everyone thinks that only the first page of this forum exists in real time.

But that is wrong, very wrong. You can't click back to page 3 and see that far back, this forum moves very quickly. I just checked and the thread at the bottom of page three is showing as 1 hour old (in reality that means "under two hours"). You can only go back 10 pages (300 threads) and the bottom of page 10 is still only 8 hours old. Anything older than that and it is gone from the front page and will only be seen in the individual forums. Much of the help comes, I suspect, from the front page, so after 9 hours the chances of getting an answer diminish significantly. So answering lots of dead threads is pushing people asking questions NOW off the front page much quicker and meaning that whilst some guy who left the forum 4 years ago now has an answer (but will never see it) somebody else, needing an answer now may have missed the opportunity.

Adharr wrote in post #16806173 (external link)
If all of you would have always been doing what I'm doing now, then there wouldn't be 12 years of backed up unanswered questions.


But these questions aren't unanswered. When somebody doesn't get a reply they tend to post again and THAT thread may have generated several replies. They got their answer then. Even if (in this case) the OP didn't repost asking about the meaning of bokeh, it is a common question that gets asked all the time and they would soon see another thread asking the same thing.

Adharr wrote in post #16806173 (external link)
All it takes is a periodic commitment of 20 minutes every month from people on here to look for questions that only have 1 or 0 replies, and then there would never be unanswered questions.

There are quite a number of us who dedicate quite a lot of time to helping others out, by answering their questions. If we diverted our attention to dead threads where nobody is actually looking for answers any more then, for each one we answer, we have used time that could have answered a current question. Personally, I agree that unanswered questions are not ideal, but I don't see the point in answering old, forgotten ones when it means that some current ones will now go unanswered.


KeenanRIVALS wrote in post #16806372 (external link)
At the end of the day these type of threads could be useful to someone else who just recently joined, sure dude may be gone but their may be a new member who has a question about bokeh and this would be the perfect search and find thread, wouldn't a new thread about the same thing 900 times be more annoying than a thread that already has the answers in it?


Yes, of course it is better to have someone find the answer by searching for it, but your own logic fails here. We do get many subjects being posted over and over (meaning of bokeh being one of them). It was ALREADY easily searchable and doesn't require ANOTHER thread to add to that search and find. This thread has, in effect, simply added to the new threads by being bumped up to the top again.

And that doesn't allow for the fact that this wouldn't be the "perfect search and find thread" as you put it, because the guy who resurrected it gave the WRONG ANSWER.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 09:14 |  #57

I think some users took offense to my saying in my earlier post "Don't do that" I admit I came off as being bossy. What I should have said is this "Please don't do that, or the majority of member here will think you are being a pain in the @*#*#." I meant only to be helpful, please accept my apology. Otherwise I stand by the previous sentiment.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 09:18 |  #58

The more people discuss this the more the thread gets bumped....


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Apr 03, 2014 09:24 |  #59
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Nick_Reading.UK wrote in post #16806640 (external link)
The more people discuss this the more the thread gets bumped....

Yeah, seriously. Where is Rick Grimes when we really need him?


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Apr 03, 2014 10:31 |  #60

Nick_Reading.UK wrote in post #16806640 (external link)
The more people discuss this the more the thread gets bumped....

Yes, but it will get worse off we ignore it. Not satified with upsetting people on the lens forum, by his own admission Adharr is now starting to do the same thing on other forums here. Maybe he'll respond to someone's 8 year old question about whether they should consider upgrading their 10D body. That would be really useful.


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