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Apr 03, 2014 13:53 |  #16

Well 250 feet is a long way I think but if you read Neal van Niekerk's work it is amazing at what distances or objects he will bounce off. I look for anything when I walk into a place these days. At least she understands bouncing and maybe had the ISO cranked and was just getting a kiss from the flash. At least she did not use tupperware to light the whole building ;)


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Apr 03, 2014 14:01 |  #17

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Well 250 feet is a long way I think but if you read Neal van Niekerk's work it is amazing at what distances or objects he will bounce off. I look for anything when I walk into a place these days. At least she understands bouncing and maybe had the ISO cranked and was just getting a kiss from the flash. At least she did not use tupperware to light the whole building ;)

Thats what I was going to say that as well. Using really high ISO you can squeeze more out of a flash than you might think if you are just looking for some fill. But yeah 250 with a sideways bounce seems overly optimistic. Neil also says never buy a used flash from him because he fries them on a pretty regular basis.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 14:04 |  #18

Yeah. It would look pretty melted anyway.


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Apr 03, 2014 14:12 |  #19

I was shooting a choir my wife was singing in one christmas. Our legislative building. Huge Tyndall stone structure and the ceiling was out of reach. I picked a big column/wall to bounce off. I guess it was about 100 feet from me, to the column and back to the choir. I checked to see by taking a shot while my head was turned to the choir. A fair bit of light was reaching them.


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Apr 03, 2014 14:16 |  #20

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I was shooting a choir my wife was singing in one christmas. Our legislative building. Huge Tyndall stone structure and the ceiling was out of reach. I picked a big column/wall to bounce off. I guess it was about 100 feet from me, to the column and back to the choir. I checked to see by taking a shot while my head was turned to the choir. A fair bit of light was reaching them.

I used to shoot in the legislative chambers in our statehouse quite a bit. This is back in the film days with vivitar 285's and I could bounce off of the ceiling that were 30+ feet up so I know what you mean. The improved zoom features and canon's more efficient circuitry allows some crazy things.




  
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Apr 03, 2014 14:20 |  #21

Sometimes I walk in a place and people I know start to look up at the ceiling, etc with me trying to figure out what I'm seeing. It can be pretty funny.


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Apr 03, 2014 16:12 |  #22

There's no point in making sense of the things stupid people do.

I've regularly seen people pointing speedlights up at the sky when shooting outdoors at night (night drag races).


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Apr 03, 2014 16:23 |  #23

How did her shots look?




  
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Apr 03, 2014 16:59 |  #24

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How did her shots look?

I don't know yet. She is a GREAT shooter and has fantastic work, I just had to find out myself if there was merit to this technique, and it seems as if some of you sorta say it is possible

I had a pic of the venue on my phone. Here is where she was (open back doors in the circle) and the arrows show the bounce and the distance to stage. And I take it back, maybe 160 feet away.

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Apr 03, 2014 17:13 |  #25

zooming the speedlite to 200mm does make a long bounce more likely too work.
High ISO wide open aperture on a fast lens, could work.

As mentioned, at least she had an idea about what she was doing. Without seeing the location and situation its all a guess. 250 feet, even a zoomed flash bounced is going to be lighting up a lot of foreground brighter than the subjects. I can't imagine that fill bounce from that distance would be very effective. Again, more influence on foreground elements that one would probably prefer were not lit.


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Apr 03, 2014 18:24 |  #26

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I had a pic of the venue on my phone. Here is where she was (open back doors in the circle) and the arrows show the bounce and the distance to stage. And I take it back, maybe 160 feet away.[/URL]

I'd say that looks like less than 160, that is if the front of the stage is 10 -15 feet from the front row. A room like that can easily be lit up by one bare flash. Fill is certainly achievable, the ceiling is not that high, maybe 25 feet.

Edit: when I say "a room like that could be lit up" I mean at least enough to fill a longish lens field of view.


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Apr 03, 2014 18:27 |  #27

That is what I'm thinking. I'd kill for that type of worse case scenario ceiling every time. She knew what she was doing.


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Apr 03, 2014 18:36 |  #28

I've bounced an on camera speedlite off the walls of a church with a main isle longer than the distance to the back doors in this venue.

Well within reality given a highish ISO and open aperture. And, as mentioned, given the size of the room actually kind of low ceiling.

If the room lighting was as shown, it wasn't a difficult situation. Larger reception venues and large churches are at least as challenging.


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Apr 03, 2014 18:44 |  #29

People tend to discount the ability of a flash in spaces with high ceilings. Unless you really test it for yourself don't disregard a flash at full power.
I had a situation where I had to bounce a flash (Yn-560II) at full power into a ceiling, which was approx. 60ft, at an event where there was very little light. All I needed was 1/2 stop of light and I was at iso 800 1/60 f /2.8.


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Apr 03, 2014 18:45 |  #30

So it is possible she was bouncing off that "ledge" on the right side of the room? That room in reality was at least 2 1/2 bus lengths (which is about 100feet) then the extra 15 feet, so maybe 250 more than I actually remembered. This is why I asked you guys.


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