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Sony A7s: 12MP FF with 4k video

 
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Apr 09, 2014 20:10 |  #16

I really enjoy my A7r but when I do pick up one of the DSLRs it is good fun being able to hit AF-ON and have the subject in focus straight away.


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Apr 09, 2014 22:32 |  #17

David Arbogast wrote in post #16821979 (external link)
I need to do more ISO noise comparisons between my a7 and a7R. I really haven't noticed a great deal of difference yet, so I'm curious if the a7s will really stand out as that much better.

I've not yet ever used my photography cameras to do video, but I can't help but be intrigued with the idea of getting one of these and creating a little video rig. It's just a dogone shame that you can't record 4K directly within the camera.

You probably won't see much high-ISO noise difference between the A7 and A7r, once you've resized them to the same resolution or printed them at the same size for a fair comparison. Don't know about the A7s, since it's a newer model, but I think it's a fair bet to say that it won't be more than a stop better when compared to A7 or A7r shots resized to 12MP.

You're right though, these a7 cameras are a lot of fun to use - more so than DSLRs. :)

Really? I think they're frustrating to use for handheld shooting, requiring more use of menus, the use of SD cards, the carriage of many more batteries and having fewer buttons with dedicated purposes. And you don't save much on size, either, if you're putting TS-E or 400mm lenses on them. I use mine purely for the image quality, like a full-frame digital back. And it does an excellent job at that.




  
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Apr 10, 2014 03:33 |  #18

I'm rarely in the menus aside from formatting the card or turning off the main monitor if I'm walking around with it and don't have a spare battery. Otherwise I just flick between Av and M depending on the amount of light


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Apr 10, 2014 12:03 |  #19

Shadowblade wrote in post #16822762 (external link)
Really? I think they're frustrating to use for handheld shooting, requiring more use of menus, the use of SD cards, the carriage of many more batteries and having fewer buttons with dedicated purposes. And you don't save much on size, either, if you're putting TS-E or 400mm lenses on them. I use mine purely for the image quality, like a full-frame digital back. And it does an excellent job at that.

Oh yeah - absolutely. I prefer using my MF Zeiss lenses on the a7 and a7R by a long stretch over a DSLR for handheld shooting. Incredibly comfortable and awesome MF toolset.


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Apr 10, 2014 15:25 |  #20

Petapixel has some info and Sony-sponsored test results of that crazy high ISO

http://petapixel.com …n-iso-409600/#more-133457 (external link)


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Apr 10, 2014 17:11 |  #21

You all seem to missing the fact that the camera only records 1080p. You have to have the extra recorder they sell to do 4k. Definitely not going to be a cheap 4k option, but will be a cheaper option than 1dc.


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Apr 10, 2014 18:55 |  #22

Furinox wrote in post #16824649 (external link)
You all seem to missing the fact that the camera only records 1080p. You have to have the extra recorder they sell to do 4k. Definitely not going to be a cheap 4k option, but will be a cheaper option than 1dc.

Sony makes it pretty clear that it requires an external recorder for 4k, but there are a few of us that have no interest in the video capability whatsoever.

We're mostly the old fogies that already have 12MP full-frame cameras that don't even have live-view. :)


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Apr 10, 2014 18:56 |  #23

Scatterbrained wrote in post #16821636 (external link)
In that case feel free to send me the unused A7R. :lol:

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David Arbogast wrote in post #16821979 (external link)
I need to do more ISO noise comparisons between my a7 and a7R. I really haven't noticed a great deal of difference yet, so I'm curious if the a7s will really stand out as that much better.

I've not yet ever used my photography cameras to do video, but I can't help but be intrigued with the idea of getting one of these and creating a little video rig. It's just a dogone shame that you can't record 4K directly within the camera.

You're right though, these a7 cameras are a lot of fun to use - more so than DSLRs. :)

For me MF comes natural and the A7 bodies are perfect. :)




  
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Apr 10, 2014 19:00 |  #24

Virto wrote in post #16824842 (external link)
Sony makes it pretty clear that it requires an external recorder for 4k, but there are a few of us that have no interest in the video capability whatsoever.

We're mostly the old fogies that already have 12MP full-frame cameras that don't even have live-view. :)

I dabble a bit in video but, not a fan of editing. :p The Sony would certainly be a bargain imo compared to higher end rigs. :)




  
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Apr 10, 2014 19:46 |  #25
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Virto wrote in post #16824842 (external link)
Sony makes it pretty clear that it requires an external recorder for 4k, but there are a few of us that have no interest in the video capability whatsoever.

We're mostly the old fogies that already have 12MP full-frame cameras that don't even have live-view. :)

This exactly. Depending on price, I'd like to see this as an upgrade to my 1Ds.




  
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Apr 12, 2014 02:21 |  #26

Have you guys seen the ISO video test at ths bottom of this page?
NOW I want one!!!

http://www.fstopacadem​y.com …hands-on-shooting-review/ (external link)


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Apr 12, 2014 09:15 |  #27

I won't be convinced about the ISO performance until I see some stills.

Sure, there's hardly any noise. But noise is only one aspect of ISO performance - I'd like to see how much dynamic range is retained at ISO 80000.

It's very easy to suppress noise, but much harder to actually retain detail (i.e. DR) at high ISO. And a sensor that's noise-free at ISO 80000 but blows out all the shadows and highlights isn't very useful.




  
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May 14, 2014 15:38 |  #28

Still no word on release date here? I am really interested in seeing the higher resolution per pixel that will make 12mp sufficient for stills.


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May 16, 2014 00:17 |  #29

Available in July. Price: $2,499.99.

Ouch.

http://www.dpreview.co​m …availability-for-alpha-7s (external link)


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May 16, 2014 06:26 |  #30

thenextguy wrote in post #16907799 (external link)
Available in July. Price: $2,499.99.

Ouch.

http://www.dpreview.co​m …availability-for-alpha-7s (external link)

This is a bargain considering what Leica is charging for their current M body.




  
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