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Mar 06, 2014 11:29 |  #61

mclaren777 wrote in post #16738844 (external link)
This was your stated goal: "I am about to start a family so I envision this lens being used for: vacations, sporting events, general purpose."

Starting a family could mean anything, but I read it as "I'm about to get married and/or have a baby." If that's the case, I think it's probably time to replace your eight-year-old camera. Having something with good lowlight performance is really helpful with baby pictures. I think it's time to replace your XTi.

While a 70-200mm lens is really helpful for sporting events, I don't see it being very useful for vacations or general purpose photography. I think a 6D + 24-105mm would be a much better choice, and if you sold your other stuff, you could get that combo for "only" $1200 out of your pocket.

You read the goal properly. I get married in May and envision having children shortly (within a year or so) thereafter.

I've admitted that I want to replace my XTi and get the 70D after my visit to the photo store yesterday. See Post #40.

I find my 17-55mm lens perfect for what I use it for. I now envision a need for something to go beyond it, and 'complete' a good two lens combo......basically covering 17mm-200mm. I doubt I'd miss the 55mm-70mm range. I am fairly set on my choice at this point. I will purchase the camera body first, then when kid(s) do arrive, I will look into getting the 70-200.

The 6D + 24-105L combo @ B&H is $2,199. Not sure where you are getting $1,200? Anyways, I looked into the 24-105L prior to getting my 17-55mm lens. I chose the 17-55 since it was f/2.8. I don't use my flash much, so this was a good lens for snapshots with lower lighting levels.


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Mar 06, 2014 11:37 |  #62

White.Lightning wrote in post #16738887 (external link)
You read the goal properly. I get married in May and envision having children shortly (within a year or so) thereafter.

I've admitted that I want to replace my XTi and get the 70D after my visit to the photo store yesterday. See Post #40.

I find my 17-55mm lens perfect for what I use it for. I now envision a need for something to go beyond it, and 'complete' a good two lens combo......basically covering 17mm-200mm. I doubt I'd miss the 55mm-70mm range. I am fairly set on my choice at this point. I will purchase the camera body first, then when kid(s) do arrive, I will look into getting the 70-200.

The 6D + 24-105L combo @ B&H is $2,199. Not sure where you are getting $1,200? Anyways, I looked into the 24-105L prior to getting my 17-55mm lens. I chose the 17-55 since it was f/2.8. I don't use my flash much, so this was a good lens for snapshots with lower lighting levels.

Your reasoning is sound. It is time to quit reading these posts and go get the 70D. Enjoy the greatly improved lower light performance over your XTi.


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Mar 06, 2014 11:57 |  #63

It's ultimately your money, White.Lightning, but I simply can't go back to using a crop-sensor camera after experiencing FF. And my $1200 number comes from getting the 6D + 24-105 using the Canon Loyalty Program for $1950 and then selling your XTi + lenses for $750.


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Mar 06, 2014 18:48 |  #64

White.Lightning wrote in post #16730918 (external link)
Hello there. Wanted to pick your brain about a lens I've been considering adding to the collection.

I've been looking at 70-200mm lenses and see there are a bunch of options:
Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS II L- $2,499
Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L- $1,449
Canon 70-200 f/4 IS- $1,349
Canon 70-200 f/4- $709
Tamron 70-200 f/2.8- $1,499
Sigma 70-200 f/2.8- $1,249

I am about to start a family, so I envision this lens being used for: vacations, sporting events, general purpose. Coupled with my 17-55 f/2.8 lens, I think I'd have a complete range to cover all my needs.

Thoughts?!?

Thanks

If you're considering the f/4 IS, I'd go for the f/2.8L(non-IS). Just about the same price and faster, i.e.: speed replaces image stabilization. I've used the f/2.8L lens handheld for indoor soccer / hockey games (w/o a flash), for wedding shots and for numerous outdoor activities. It isn't the lightest lens in your list but a good compromise and great glass!

Look for a good used lens. I purchased a used f/2.8L for $850. A few paint chips and wear marks on the body BUT the glass was excellent and it works wonderfully! If you're in the market for a used lens, purchase from a reputable dealer or, if a private sale, insist on holding the lens, doing a close inspection and actually mounting it on your camera body and trying it. The main considerations are:
1) Does it automatically focus,
2) Does the aperture work,
3) Do the focus and zoom rings feel smooth,
4) Hold it up to a good bright light and look through it; how much internal dust, fungus or haze is present. Try to stay away from lenses with fungus & haze; normally indicates usage/storage in moist areas or areas with a whole lot of smokers. A bit of dust is okay. Even a few minor nicks in the front element can be lived with and normally don't impact image quality; however, watch out for lenses that look like the front coating is in bad condition / discolored / streaky / flaky / etc.,
5) Check for dents that might interfere with operation, i.e.: are the mount ring and contacts in good condition, is the filter ring usable?
6) Esthetics like a few paint chips and dust are to your advantage, i.e.: the owner sees them as worse than they normally are!

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Mar 06, 2014 20:25 |  #65

mclaren777 wrote in post #16738961 (external link)
It's ultimately your money, White.Lightning, but I simply can't go back to using a crop-sensor camera after experiencing FF. And my $1200 number comes from getting the 6D + 24-105 using the Canon Loyalty Program for $1950 and then selling your XTi + lenses for $750.

And he loses the use of one of the best lenses in Canon's entire lineup (EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS - Gold ring instead of red doesn't make it chopped liver). Not everyone is as enamored of FF as you are. It's greatest benefit seems to be in landscape and low light, but for that you give up reach and a larger selection of available lenses. I find that the 17-55 is a great general purpose lens on a crop body. Paired with my 70-200 f4 IS, it covers just about everything I do.


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Mar 06, 2014 20:55 |  #66

Preeb wrote in post #16740137 (external link)
And he loses the use of one of the best lenses in Canon's entire lineup (EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS - Gold ring instead of red doesn't make it chopped liver). Not everyone is as enamored of FF as you are. It's greatest benefit seems to be in landscape and low light, but for that you give up reach and a larger selection of available lenses. I find that the 17-55 is a great general purpose lens on a crop body. Paired with my 70-200 f4 IS, it covers just about everything I do.

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Apr 09, 2014 13:08 |  #67

My 70D has arrived. Battery is charging............

Should be fun!


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Apr 16, 2014 00:26 |  #68

Another support for the 70-200mm f/4. Excellent image quality!


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Apr 16, 2014 02:30 |  #69

tonybear007 wrote in post #16837326 (external link)
Another support for the 70-200mm f/4. Excellent image quality!

+1 ! For outdoor shots or indoor with flash, it's an excellent lightweighted solution.

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Apr 16, 2014 09:48 |  #70

White.Lightning wrote in post #16821657 (external link)
My 70D has arrived. Battery is charging............

Should be fun!

Hey just saw this thread and want to add for small children and growing up this is a great camera (Currently have a 3 going on 4 year old and a 1 year old). The sport and AF features make it awesome for capturing the quick moving rascals! As for sports that involve the kids or general walk around stuff like zoo etc, a 55-250mm should cover those needs admirably for a while until the kids get bigger or your wallet allows. I do keep looking at the same long lenses you do but am happy with the 55-250mm stm and how it has worked out for me :) (But on that note I am not shooting for money nor am I shooting grown up sports yet!)

Also I note you said you don't use the flash much. I too was doing that for a while but finally put my 270ex to use and the difference in shots using it with a diffuser is amazing, the tone and colors are much nicer. I still don't use it too much but it gets more use than it did before. Not sure if you have a decent flash in your kit but might be a good idea to have it as sometimes it can make or break the low light moments at that age.


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Apr 16, 2014 10:52 |  #71

werds wrote in post #16838023 (external link)
Hey just saw this thread and want to add for small children and growing up this is a great camera (Currently have a 3 going on 4 year old and a 1 year old). The sport and AF features make it awesome for capturing the quick moving rascals! As for sports that involve the kids or general walk around stuff like zoo etc, a 55-250mm should cover those needs admirably for a while until the kids get bigger or your wallet allows. I do keep looking at the same long lenses you do but am happy with the 55-250mm stm and how it has worked out for me :) (But on that note I am not shooting for money nor am I shooting grown up sports yet!)

Also I note you said you don't use the flash much. I too was doing that for a while but finally put my 270ex to use and the difference in shots using it with a diffuser is amazing, the tone and colors are much nicer. I still don't use it too much but it gets more use than it did before. Not sure if you have a decent flash in your kit but might be a good idea to have it as sometimes it can make or break the low light moments at that age.

Per my signature, I have a 430EX II flash.

I'm still getting used to it, but I love the better ISO sensitivity and overall increase in IQ. My 17-55mm lens really shines now!


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Apr 16, 2014 11:43 |  #72

White.Lightning wrote in post #16838200 (external link)
Per my signature, I have a 430EX II flash.

I'm still getting used to it, but I love the better ISO sensitivity and overall increase in IQ. My 17-55mm lens really shines now!


Aaaah my fault, I tend to ignore the signature sections out of bad habit (too many forums with horrible signature information or junk!)


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Apr 16, 2014 21:42 |  #73

I'll add that my decision was to purchase a new Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II. Why new? Because it's $400 more than used but I get the genuine 2 year canon warranty and I know of its history. Why the IS II? Because I know how useful the 70-200 is and I know that I would end up with the IS II anyway if I had purchased the Tamron 70-200 etc instead. I also owned the 135mm f2 and I would not give that up if I also had the Tamron. Since I have the canon, I sold the 135 because the 70-200 pleased me enough. This is not necessarily based on the performance, however (but more on aesthetics, owning the best etc). The 70-200 2.8 IS II also works great with the 1.4x and 2.0x extenders whereas (from what I have seen) the Tamron, not so much. So if you need a longer lens, the 70-200 can double as something like the 100-400 etc (albeit with decreased AF performance).


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Apr 18, 2014 12:31 |  #74

I think most shooters think hard about choosing the perfect medium telephoto- they are all excellent choices. However, for crop sensors there is another option that I don't think is mentioned enough and it is one that should deserve some serious consideration.

The Sigma 50-150 2.8 OS. I stumbled upon this lens and was put off by the seemingly strange focal range. I did some research and was astounded by the immense praise from reviewers on the Internet as well as the relative nicheness of the lens. To keep things short, the Sigma is basically the 70-200mm full-frame experience for crop cameras in function, size, quality, at half the price.

For what its worth I owned the 70-200 f4L as well and the Sigma is superior in nearly every single category.

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The Sigma 50-150mm ƒ/2.8 OS is quite simply one of the sharpest zoom lenses we have had the opportunity to test. Even used wide open at ƒ/2.8, the lens provides tack-sharp images, from 50mm to 150mm. Stopping down the lens provides practically insignificant improvements in image sharpness: this lens is just excellent at every setting.

[referring to 70-200 2.8 IS II]
Performance is on par with the Sigma (which is something to raise eyebrows over) with perhaps better results when it comes to chromatic aberration.

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To tell you the truth I didn’t expect such results in a zoom lens test. At the maximum relative aperture the Sigma reaches simply sensational values of 46-50 lpmm. After stopping down to f/4.0 – f/5.6 the MTF increase to 52-54 lpmm. To realize how sensational these results are you can go back to the test of the Canon EF 100 mm f/2.8L IS USM Macro. It is one of the sharpest lenses we’ve ever tested and that’s why we often use it as a litmus test of a kind. If you compare the Sigma’s 50-150 mm OS performance at 100 mm you can find that the zoom Sigma fares actually a bit better than the fixed focal Canon lens, optically brilliant! I think there is nothing to add.

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In such a situation my final verdict concerning the success of this lens must be changed a bit. There are people who don’t think that small dimensions of the equipment are a crucial feature. If they happen to own an APS-C/DX reflex camera and have been pondering over buying a brand name 70-200 mm f/4.0 lens perhaps they should reconsider and include the Sigma as one of the possibilities. Why? For a similar amount of money you can get an f/2.8 instrument which can put many good primes to shame when it comes to the image resolution.

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I was ready to not like this lens. Heck, I was ready to not carry this lens. Its predecessor in non-OS version had such sample-to-sample variation it just about drove us insane. But Sigma has done a lot with their quality control lately and we don’t see the same problems with this lens.

Like many Sigma lenses, this is unique: you get a crop-sensor equivalent to a 70-200 f/2.8 in a much smaller size. It’s got excellent optical stabilization and excellent image quality. It doesn’t autofocus quite as quickly as a Canon, but otherwise it’s hard not to like. Especially when you consider you’re getting an f/2.8 zoom for about half the price of a 70-200 f/2.8 IS II.

Here are some pictures I took with it on my Rebel. These are heavily cropped images as I was sitting quite far away- the results are very satisfactory given the conditions. (external link)

One problem, this lens was just recently discontinued in Canon mount. (external link)




  
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Apr 18, 2014 22:56 |  #75

NewCreation wrote in post #16731965 (external link)
I'm gonna throw a monkey wrench in here and offer another to the list.

So am I.

The 80-200mm 2.8 L. It is a legendary canon lens from the 90s, it's performance is better than the 70-200mm 2.8 and only the 70-200mm 2.8 IS II beats it. As it can be found for $600 today, it is a huge bargain in terms of image quality and price.

DarK_MischieF wrote in post #16843928 (external link)
The Sigma 50-150 2.8 OS. I stumbled upon this lens and was put off by the seemingly strange focal range. I did some research and was astounded by the immense praise from reviewers on the Internet as well as the relative nicheness of the lens. To keep things short, the Sigma is basically the 70-200mm full-frame experience for crop cameras in function, size, quality, at half the price.


Good suggestion for crop users.
If you add a 18-35mm 1.8 Sigma as well, you have a set up that replicates the 24-70mm 2.8 and 70-200mm 2.8 experience on crop.


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