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Apr 17, 2014 09:20 |  #61

Shadowblade wrote in post #16840664 (external link)
The commentary only matters if the work itself is aesthetically pleasing.

Aesthetically pleasing to whom? There is an entire world out there beyond Rembrandt lighting and the RoTs. :lol:




  
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Apr 17, 2014 09:20 |  #62

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The commentary only matters if the work itself is aesthetically pleasing.

If I don't like the picture, I don't care what message (if any) the artist was trying to convey.

I really don't know where to go from here, except to say that you're missing out on a world of experience by basing everything on aesthetics.

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Apr 17, 2014 09:21 |  #63

There is nothing more dangerous to art and creativity than a closed mind...




  
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Apr 17, 2014 09:32 |  #64

We should all be happy that photography is fetching the prices that were once only reserved for painting.

Oh thought I'd post this again on Robert Franks The Americans. Some of these arguments were actually settled 60+ years ago.
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Apr 17, 2014 09:36 |  #65

Shadowblade, here's a question: if art is only of value if it's aesthetically pleasing, is there any value to art schools? After all, if it all boils down to aesthetics, and aesthetics can be reduced to objective metrics of sharpness, light, focus, etc (for photography, at least) and is innately appreciated, then what can be taught?


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Apr 17, 2014 09:43 |  #66

edge-air ... did you expect everyone to have the depth of experience you do? most photographers start out with absolutely nothing more than how to operate a camera. the next level is to master the technical aspects. the next level is to understand the art and history of the art. it takes years to master like all crafts and many will prefer to hibernate on whatever level they deem as effective to their vision.




  
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edge100 wrote in post #16840732 (external link)
Shadowblade, here's a question: if art is only of value if it's aesthetically pleasing, is there any value to art schools? After all, if it all boils down to aesthetics, and aesthetics can be reduced to objective metrics of sharpness, light, focus, etc (for photography, at least) and is innately appreciated, then what can be taught?

I never understood why art schools existed, actually.


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Apr 17, 2014 09:47 |  #68

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I never understood why art schools existed, actually.

One learns about art for the same reason one learns about math: to learn about things that are not immediately apparent.

Reducing all art to what is aesthetically pleasing or technically 'correct' - to the exclusion of all else - is the equivalent of reducing mathematics to the ability to count to 100.


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Apr 17, 2014 09:47 |  #69

Joe I was there but I instead of crapping on things I didn't have knowledge of I went on a quest to get that knowledge and it was much harder before the world wide web. I eventually majored in college in it minored in art because I wanted to know as much as I could about what I was doing. Knowledge today is as easy at ones finger tips.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 09:48 |  #70

edge100 wrote in post #16840732 (external link)
Shadowblade, here's a question: if art is only of value if it's aesthetically pleasing, is there any value to art schools? After all, if it all boils down to aesthetics, and aesthetics can be reduced to objective metrics of sharpness, light, focus, etc (for photography, at least) and is innately appreciated, then what can be taught?

What can be taught is the technical side of things - how to get what's in the artist's head onto paper in a way that looks good. Everything from how to hold a paintbrush to how to light or pose a subject.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 09:49 as a reply to  @ edge100's post |  #71

What is odd is that abstract is considered an advanced art form yet it is the most difficult form to appreciate. there is a local show hanging of abstracts all fetching $6k and up and not a one of them has appeal to my eye. So while an abstract may satisfy an artist at some level it will not necessarily satisfy an audience of lesser sophistication in art.

In terms of producing an image that is appreciated I watched a snapshot of a local mountain time in high noon light and no atmospherics or general dynamics sell for $300. Not a princely sum but it sold while much more interesting works remained on the wall.

Tastes vary dramatically.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 09:50 |  #72

edge100 wrote in post #16840757 (external link)
One learns about art for the same reason one learns about math: to learn about things that are not immediately apparent.

Reducing all art to what is aesthetically pleasing or technically 'correct' - to the exclusion of all else - is the equivalent of reducing mathematics to the ability to count to 100.

Nope - mathematics has a practical application and those things that are 'not immediately apparent' can be proven.

There is no proof in art - only opinions.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 09:50 |  #73

Shadowblade wrote in post #16840766 (external link)
What can be taught is the technical side of things - how to get what's in the artist's head onto paper in a way that looks good. Everything from how to hold a paintbrush to how to light or pose a subject.

Looks good to whom? Isn't the expression of "what's in the artist's head" the centrally important thing?


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Apr 17, 2014 09:50 |  #74

Shadowblade wrote in post #16840769 (external link)
Nope - mathematics has a practical application and those things that are 'not immediately apparent' can be proven.

There is no proof in art - only opinions.

You're missing the point.

Integral calculus is not intuitive. One must be taught how to do it.

The same is true of art.


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edge100 wrote in post #16840757 (external link)
One learns about art for the same reason one learns about math: to learn about things that are not immediately apparent.

Reducing all art to what is aesthetically pleasing or technically 'correct' - to the exclusion of all else - is the equivalent of reducing mathematics to the ability to count to 100.

Fair enough. I can appreciate what you say about learning about art, and writing about it as an art critic. But I am someone who believes that people are either intrinsically artistic, or not. It's just a matter of unlocking the intrinsic gift. And a school isn't going to give someone the intrinsic ability, I have observed.


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