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Apr 21, 2014 10:22 |  #1

I have Canon 5D Mark III with canon lenses such as 50mm F/1.4 , 16-35mm F/2.8 , 24-105mm F/4 , 70-200mm Mark II F/2.8
My passion is in portraits, landscape and indoor events. By now I just doing photography for fun not for business maybe later. I have problem to shot indoor portraits in low lights condition and restaurants . Most of time my 24-105 is mounted on my camera and F/4 is fastest I can get on it. I think if I had 24-70mm F/2.8 was my photo much better. i have used my 50mm as well but most of time put me in corner to get all in photo.I’m not sure but I need your help on this. Most if time my shot has noise .if you believe 24-70 will help me please help me to choose one of these lenses: Canon 24-70mm Mark II no VC or Tamron 24-70mm with VC. Also I want to consider selling one of my lenses to be replace with 24-70. In other hand I was reading on net that 50mm in not appropriate lens for portrait and 85mm is the typical lens for that purpose.
I know it is too much to asking but I need you to put yourself in my place and tell me you honest opinion about my gear and my photo and help me.
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Apr 21, 2014 10:35 |  #2

Try using your 16-35 and see if that gives you what you want. If the 16-35 isn't fast enough, a 24-70 won't be either. If the 16-35 would be fast enough with IS or VC, then get the Tamron.

In your place, if I couldn't use flash, then I would get the Tamron. Why? Because it is much cheaper, it is almost as good optically, and it has VC. With the Canon you get an extra little bit of sharpness, a little bit extra AF speed, and that is about it, for a whole lot more money.


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Apr 21, 2014 10:47 as a reply to  @ Sirrith's post |  #3

the zoom lenses you mention probably won't improve your portraits over the 50mm 1.4

generally anything wider than 50mm for portraits is not recommended. 35 might be appropriate if the subject is far enough away from the camera and there are other points of interest in the photo, but that is rare. I try to use my 85mm as much as possible and only use my 24-105 above 55-60mm.

if you are getting too much noise with a 5DIII/50D, you are probably being to picky (zooming in too close) or doing something wrong. When I say "wrong" it might be that you are just expecting too much from your camera. Restaurants are often very dark and high ISO noise (above 3200) would be expected.

Are you familiar with ETTR, Expose To The Right?


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Apr 21, 2014 11:57 |  #4

Sirrith wrote in post #16850268 (external link)
Try using your 16-35 and see if that gives you what you want. If the 16-35 isn't fast enough, a 24-70 won't be either. If the 16-35 would be fast enough with IS or VC, then get the Tamron.

In your place, if I couldn't use flash, then I would get the Tamron. Why? Because it is much cheaper, it is almost as good optically, and it has VC. With the Canon you get an extra little bit of sharpness, a little bit extra AF speed, and that is about it, for a whole lot more money.

i have been tried 16-35 and it is fast enough but no VC. so that is why i was thinking about tamron.




  
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Apr 21, 2014 12:09 |  #5

hes gone wrote in post #16850286 (external link)
=he's gone;16850286]the zoom lenses you mention probably won't improve your portraits over the 50mm 1.4

generally anything wider than 50mm for portraits is not recommended. 35 might be appropriate if the subject is far enough away from the camera and there are other points of interest in the photo, but that is rare. I try to use my 85mm as much as possible and only use my 24-105 above 55-60mm.

if you are getting too much noise with a 5DIII/50D, you are probably being to picky (zooming in too close) or doing something wrong. When I say "wrong" it might be that you are just expecting too much from your camera. Restaurants are often very dark and high ISO noise (above 3200) would be expected.

Are you familiar with ETTR, Expose To The Right?

thanks a lot,
about 50mm i am agree with you but my problem is in museum and restaurant i don't have enough space to move around but i really love my 50mm for my portraits. honestly no i have no familiar with ETTR but i will look to it.thanks for your help.
if i go to give up one of my lenses to get 24-70 which one you will suggest ?




  
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Apr 21, 2014 12:25 |  #6

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thanks a lot,
about 50mm i am agree with you but my problem is in museum and restaurant i don't have enough space to move around but i really love my 50mm for my portraits. honestly no i have no familiar with ETTR but i will look to it.thanks for your help.
if i go to give up one of my lenses to get 24-70 which one you will suggest ?

I don't put much value on stabilization with wide lenses and haven't really compared the two otherwise. I just sold a Tamron 17-50 (no stabilization) that I used for years on my XSi. Great lens with sufficient light, but it tended to hunt around for focus in low light and did not give results as good as other lenses at the same aperture. I have since found out that this is called "transmission (external link)". It is the amount of light that the glass lets through regardless of aperture. Just one more thing to consider.

I shoot a lot in low light and did not miss stabilization at all.

I am trying to decide between the Sigma 35 1.4 Art and the brand new Sigma 50 1.4 Art. Maybe a 35 prime is what you need?

here is the wiki for ETTR

http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Exposing_to_the​_right (external link)

or check out post nine here:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=42034


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Apr 21, 2014 12:40 |  #7

hes gone wrote in post #16850526 (external link)
=he's gone;16850526]I don't put much value on stabilization with wide lenses and haven't really compared the two otherwise. I just sold a Tamron 17-50 (no stabilization) that I used for years on my XSi. Great lens with sufficient light, but it tended to hunt around for focus in low light and did not give results as good as other lenses at the same aperture. I have since found out that this is called "transmission (external link)". It is the amount of light that the glass lets through regardless of aperture. Just one more thing to consider.

I shoot a lot in low light and did not miss stabilization at all.

I am trying to decide between the Sigma 35 1.4 Art and the brand new Sigma 50 1.4 Art. Maybe a 35 prime is what you need?

here is the wiki for ETTR

http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Exposing_to_the​_right (external link)

or check out post nine here:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=42034

unfortunately i have a little shaky hand and i think it is better to have stabilizer but you are right. i believe 35 prime lens may be more helpful so i may rent it and give it a try. i just got the ETTR and test it it is very helpful technique . appreciate your help.
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Apr 22, 2014 08:56 |  #8

I had the Tamron (2 in fact) and now have the Canon MKII.
Other than the fact that VC broke on both lenses the issues i had with the Tamron's were poorer AF in low light, and slower AF in AI servo on my 5DMKIII.


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Apr 22, 2014 09:23 |  #9

I had the Tamron, and returned it the next day.. No way sharp enough for me... Even after much microadjustment.. so its either the 24-70 mk2 or the 35mm 2.0 IS


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Apr 22, 2014 09:35 |  #10

Heh, I've got both those lenses and find the 35mm actaully produces the nicer (to my eyes) images.
Not that the 24-70 isn't anything but fantastic as well.


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Apr 22, 2014 09:47 |  #11

dave_bass5 wrote in post #16852529 (external link)
Heh, I've got both those lenses and find the 35mm actaully produces the nicer (to my eyes) images.
Not that the 24-70 isn't anything but fantastic as well.

Um, cheers for the advice.. Just wondering if I can shoot weddings with the 70-200 on one body and the 35mm on the other and still be safe


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Apr 22, 2014 10:50 |  #12

dave_bass5 wrote in post #16852459 (external link)
I had the Tamron (2 in fact) and now have the Canon MKII.
Other than the fact that VC broke on both lenses the issues i had with the Tamron's were poorer AF in low light, and slower AF in AI servo on my 5DMKIII.

Nick_Reading.UK wrote in post #16852510 (external link)
I had the Tamron, and returned it the next day.. No way sharp enough for me... Even after much microadjustment.. so its either the 24-70 mk2 or the 35mm 2.0 IS

wow i got confused now .i saw many of good reviews on tamron 24-70 and with what you guys saying I'm not sure anymore.if i go with canon 24-70mm mark ii i have to sale one of my lenses. which one you guys suggest .




  
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Apr 22, 2014 11:14 |  #13

I have the Tammy and have zero problems with it. And with the money saved I got a grip for my 5D3 and the Rokinon 14mm and a cable release. Canon is just way too expensive in comparison. Was my first non-canon lens, but not my last.


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Apr 22, 2014 11:55 |  #14

I'm not saying the Tamron is a bad lens, for the money it shouldn't be anyway, but it's not as fast or reliable as the canon. This is my opinion after owning two copies.
I was disappointed with the very early failure of theaon selling point, but I'd would have kept with it had it not been for the AF reliability.

Bottom line IMO, it's a good lens of you get a good copy (mechanically) and don't need to tax the AF too much with AI servo.


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Apr 22, 2014 12:48 |  #15

I have used Tamron for years since the first lens came out and had no whatsoever problems. I love this lens more than canon 24-70 f2.8 MK1. Besides it is almost half price compared to Canon 24-70 MK2. If you want fast lens just go with Canon (some individual reviews said). I am not pretending as a pro so why have to spend that much money (?)


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