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Apr 21, 2014 11:11 |  #1

I am recovering from surgery and off work with way too much time on my hands.

I want to retire in two years and spend more time to my photography hobby.

I currently have a Canon 60D with the kit 18-135 lens. I also have a 28 1.8 that I love. I also have an older 75-300 lens. I really like the 60D.

My love is landscapes and low light photography. My 28 1.8 does great on my low light needs.

I would love one day to move to a full frame such as the 6D one day, but that is only a wish.

So, I would like to upgrade my zoom capabilities over the 18-135. So that well worn 15-85 or 17-55 lens discussion is being internally debated in my noggin. I like the extra reach of the 15-85 and from what I read, I should see an improvement over my non STM 18-135 kit lens.

My struggles are the debate of degree of picture improvement (especially sharpness) of each of those lenses versus my 18-135. Would I see enough of image quality improvement if I purchased one of those lenses all together knowing that both lenses can't be used on a full frame camera. Because I am frugal, I want to make a solid cost versus benefit analysis.

If Full Frame cameras continue to close the price gap with cropped sensor data, what will the used market be for EF-S lenses down the road.

I would love yo hear dome thoughts on this debate. Thanks so much.

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Apr 21, 2014 11:16 |  #2

I'm not going to comment on the EF-S / FF debate, but will point out the the one lens you own that you claim to love, and is the only one useful in low light situations, which is also one of your "loves" is a fabulous little affordable Prime.

I'd look at Primes in the same price range and capabilities, like the 85 1.8, 100mm f/2 etc.


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Apr 21, 2014 11:32 |  #3

The prices on used 17-55 lenses on here have been tremendous. I would go in that direction. The bigger aperture will help your low light photography, but it won't be as wide as the 15-85 (for landscape). You could then add in a 55-250 for some extra reach.


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Apr 21, 2014 11:56 |  #4

I suggest Tamron SP 17-50/2.8 (non-VC.)


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Apr 22, 2014 11:31 |  #5

You may want to look at a wider angle lens. Since you like the landscapes and are really fond of your 28mm, you might want to look at the Samyang 14mm f2.8 which would give you some wider landscapes and still a decent speed. Also, Canon makes a lovely 10-22 or for less money and still a fantastic lens you can get the Sigma 10-20. If you went to full frame the first thing you would notice is that your field of view is wider and this is one reason why most landscape shooters full frame. So getting a wider lens would help you go into that direction without the added expense of switching everything to full frame. The Samyang can be had for about $300 used and the Sigma about $350 used. (I almost always buy lenses used to avoid depreciation since I know I'll want to change to something else later anyways)


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Apr 22, 2014 11:35 |  #6

17-40 and a 70-200.


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Apr 23, 2014 03:21 |  #7

viperbass wrote in post #16850335 (external link)
I am recovering from surgery and off work with way too much time on my hands.

I want to retire in two years and spend more time to my photography hobby.

I currently have a Canon 60D with the kit 18-135 lens. I also have a 28 1.8 that I love. I also have an older 75-300 lens. I really like the 60D.

My love is landscapes and low light photography. My 28 1.8 does great on my low light needs.

I would love one day to move to a full frame such as the 6D one day, but that is only a wish.

So, I would like to upgrade my zoom capabilities over the 18-135. So that well worn 15-85 or 17-55 lens discussion is being internally debated in my noggin. I like the extra reach of the 15-85 and from what I read, I should see an improvement over my non STM 18-135 kit lens.

My struggles are the debate of degree of picture improvement (especially sharpness) of each of those lenses versus my 18-135. Would I see enough of image quality improvement if I purchased one of those lenses all together knowing that both lenses can't be used on a full frame camera. Because I am frugal, I want to make a solid cost versus benefit analysis.

If Full Frame cameras continue to close the price gap with cropped sensor data, what will the used market be for EF-S lenses down the road.

I would love yo hear dome thoughts on this debate. Thanks so much.

My Flickr pictures:
https://www.flickr.com​/photos/55056358@N04/ (external link)

Hrm,

I'll go ahead and just recommmend something off the wall different.

Sell the 60D.
Sell the 18-135.
Sell the 70-300.

Buy a used 5D classic (it'll cost less than what you get for those items).

Keep the 28 F1.8 prime.

Why? Your current prime which you love, gets even better, as it is now it's standard field of view, instead of an equivalent of 45mm, so it gets wider than you're used to, much wider. And it remains fast at F1.8, if you want to keep it wide open for low light.

Consider a used 24-105 F4L for the "everything else" lens, if you want walk around that is not just wide angle.
Or, look into a used 70-200 F4L ($450ish), if you want a great telephoto.
And lastly, either a Tokina 16-28 F2.8 PRO if you want ultrawide with wide aperture, for the same cost as the 17-40 F4L.

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Apr 23, 2014 08:43 |  #8

MalVeauX wrote in post #16854757 (external link)
Hrm,

I'll go ahead and just recommmend something off the wall different.

Sell the 60D.
Sell the 18-135.
Sell the 70-300.

Buy a used 5D classic (it'll cost less than what you get for those items).

Keep the 28 F1.8 prime.

Why? Your current prime which you love, gets even better, as it is now it's standard field of view, instead of an equivalent of 45mm, so it gets wider than you're used to, much wider. And it remains fast at F1.8, if you want to keep it wide open for low light.

Consider a used 24-105 F4L for the "everything else" lens, if you want walk around that is not just wide angle.
Or, look into a used 70-200 F4L ($450ish), if you want a great telephoto.
And lastly, either a Tokina 16-28 F2.8 PRO if you want ultrawide with wide aperture, for the same cost as the 17-40 F4L.

Very best,

Just to offer a different viewpoint, I owned a EF 28mm f/1.8 when I shot crop only. It was my primary indoor lens for family events -- I used it instead of my EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS, which became pretty much a landscape lens after I added the 28mm prime. That meant I was shooting the 17-55 stopped down almost all the time after adding the 28mm.

Once I added a full frame 5D3, I found that I no longer used the 28mm prime, and instead preferred a 50mm prime. That is not surprising, as it is closer to the field of view that the 28mm provided on my crop. I kept the 28mm, as I thought it may be useful to own a wide angle prime. However, after about 18 months I had only used the lens once, so I finally sold it.

Based on what I know now, if I was shooting crop-only, my ideal lens lineup would be a EF-S 15-85mm IS for general walk around and landscape use, combined with the 28mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.8 primes, plus a quality telephoto zoom -- and maybe still the EF-S 10-22 for UWA if 15mm would not be quite wide enough.. I have built my full frame kit in a similar manner, with 50L and 135L primes, plus 24-105L, 17-40L, 70-200 f/4 IS and 100-400L zooms.


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Apr 23, 2014 15:18 |  #9

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #16852787 (external link)
17-40 and a 70-200.

+1

And you could pick up a Canon 5d (the first edition), a cheap full-frame, without issue since on your flickr I see you shoot landscape, so static subject.




  
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Apr 23, 2014 15:41 |  #10

Scott M wrote in post #16855144 (external link)
Just to offer a different viewpoint, I owned a EF 28mm f/1.8 when I shot crop only. It was my primary indoor lens for family events -- I used it instead of my EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS, which became pretty much a landscape lens after I added the 28mm prime. That meant I was shooting the 17-55 stopped down almost all the time after adding the 28mm.

Once I added a full frame 5D3, I found that I no longer used the 28mm prime, and instead preferred a 50mm prime. That is not surprising, as it is closer to the field of view that the 28mm provided on my crop. I kept the 28mm, as I thought it may be useful to own a wide angle prime. However, after about 18 months I had only used the lens once, so I finally sold it.

Based on what I know now, if I was shooting crop-only, my ideal lens lineup would be a EF-S 15-85mm IS for general walk around and landscape use, combined with the 28mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.8 primes, plus a quality telephoto zoom -- and maybe still the EF-S 10-22 for UWA if 15mm would not be quite wide enough.. I have built my full frame kit in a similar manner, with 50L and 135L primes, plus 24-105L, 17-40L, 70-200 f/4 IS and 100-400L zooms.

That's good and fine, but the OP shoots mainly landscape, where 28mm is a very good thing to have.

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Apr 23, 2014 15:48 as a reply to  @ alessandro2009's post |  #11

"Buy a used 5D classic (it'll cost less than what you get for those items).

Keep the 28 F1.8 prime.

Why? Your current prime which you love, gets even better, as it is now it's standard field of view, instead of an equivalent of 45mm, so it gets wider than you're used to, much wider. And it remains fast at F1.8, if you want to keep it wide open for low light.

Consider a used 24-105 F4L for the "everything else" lens, if you want walk around that is not just wide angle.
Or, look into a used 70-200 F4L ($450ish), if you want a great telephoto."

That's pretty much what I did only I have a 35 F2 instead of a 28. Oh, and my 70-200 is f4.0 IS.




  
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Apr 23, 2014 17:16 |  #12

MalVeauX wrote in post #16856119 (external link)
That's good and fine, but the OP shoots mainly landscape, where 28mm is a very good thing to have.

Very best,

My primary photography is landscapes (along with wildlife), too, but I never found the need to use the 28mm f/1.8 for that purpose. It offered nothing over the 24-105L or 17-40L for my landscape photography, as I never found the need for a fast aperture for that type of photography. Image quality wise, the prime was no better than those two zooms. The zooms are more versatile for focal length choices when traveling -- which is when I am shooting landscapes.

The only time I used the 28mm f/1.8 on the 5D3 was for a trip to the Henry Ford Museum, where its fast aperture allowed me to take some natural light indoor shots. A few examples:

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Apr 23, 2014 20:40 |  #13

Scott M wrote in post #16856324 (external link)
I never found the need to use the 28mm f/1.8 for that purpose. It offered nothing over the 24-105L or 17-40L for my landscape photography ... Image quality wise, the prime was no better than those two zooms.

Really? I have a vintage Olympus 28/3.5 that absolutely trounced my old 17-40, 'specially in the FF corners, so I have a hard time believing that the 28 f/1.8 is no better than the 17-40.


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Apr 24, 2014 07:56 |  #14

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Really? I have a vintage Olympus 28/3.5 that absolutely trounced my old 17-40, 'specially in the FF corners, so I have a hard time believing that the 28 f/1.8 is no better than the 17-40.

When both lenses are stopped down (which I do for almost all landscape shots) I see little to no difference between the two lenses.


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Apr 26, 2014 21:05 |  #15

Scott M wrote in post #16856324 (external link)
My primary photography is landscapes (along with wildlife), too, but I never found the need to use the 28mm f/1.8 for that purpose. It offered nothing over the 24-105L or 17-40L for my landscape photography, as I never found the need for a fast aperture for that type of photography. Image quality wise, the prime was no better than those two zooms. The zooms are more versatile for focal length choices when traveling -- which is when I am shooting landscapes.

The only time I used the 28mm f/1.8 on the 5D3 was for a trip to the Henry Ford Museum, where its fast aperture allowed me to take some natural light indoor shots. A few examples:

Your EXIF data says 1/40 f/2.2 ISO1600 and 1/40 f/2.8 ISO1600

I think you could have left the 28mm 1.8 at home because a 5D3 with a 24-105 could have made the same shot with just a little different settings. ;)

(1/20 f/4 ISO1600) or (1/40 f/4 ISO3200) or (1/20 f/5.6 ISO3200) etc


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