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Apr 17, 2014 13:06 |  #406

My best advice to you is to not fly by the seat of your pants and do not things to be "kind" or based upon feelings. Being nice only gets you trampled. Nice guys finish last. Business is a tough place and if you aren't well organized and educated in the legal wranglings of it, it can bite you in the ass and make you bow out early.

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Apr 17, 2014 14:25 |  #407

I have to admit to be drawn to this thread, reminds me of myself quite some time ago (which does not really matter, other than it makes me feel old he he).

One thing I constantly see happening with photographers out there -and people in general- is a generalization that is probably done in the mind, most times without even noticing.

Let me get to the point. A good Chef, may feel like he could run a restaurant. A great basketball player, that he could manage being part of a proffesional team. All things possible, but they bunch up a few things that should be learned separately.

Being a photographer is about learning the tricks and tips, and finding your own identity while capturing images. This is a lifetime's process, and one full of enjoyment and experiences.

A photography business (or doing business as a photographer) is a different endeavour entirely. This has to do with knowing what you have that other people want, and then learning how to go through the process of doing so. In the simplest form, a photoshoot. (How to find your customer, how to agree to terms, contracts, payments, delivery of goods, and warranties or arrangements in case of contingencies).

I know people (well one or two) who are excellent business people, but they are honest to god, crappy photographers. However, they know who to talk to, how, and they get the contracts. On the other hand, I know about a hundred of talented photographers who become jaded because the dream of having their own photo business (the seeming holy grail of photographers, a way to pay for your own toys, and spend your time doing what you love) crashes burning their dreams, and often their gear and savings. I know this well, because it once happened to me.

All I am saying is, after reading this thread over and over, treat both photography and business as separate things. Constantly hone in your skills in both. And don't let one affect the other. Be a confident photographer, and do honest business. (if you do not separate these, you cannot learn and train on these to become profficient enough to succeed).

Hope it helps, its my honest lookback at the path traveled, and what I'd share with someone who is just getting started.


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Apr 17, 2014 15:37 |  #408

^^^ Great post



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Apr 17, 2014 15:59 |  #409

RMH wrote in post #16841688 (external link)
^^^ Great post

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Apr 17, 2014 16:12 as a reply to  @ post 16823913 |  #410

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I have been using my 7D since 2012....I have taken over 40,000 pictures with it.....I know the camera inside out backwards every setting....what am I missing so that it sometimes exposes right and sometimes exposes wrong? (flash ETTL). When ETTL was not working, I switched to Manual power and still got the shot.
That being said, +2 EV on lightroom makes the picture perfect even with an underexposed flash. So not a deal breaker on the photo...but would still like to know why its under exposing. I was shooting through a gary phong....could that cause an issue?

This time, I would prefer to keep my price private. It seems here that the "higher" the price the more people will comment on how you need this or that etc etc

I don't understand why you have your flash set to ETTL with a modifier on. Shouldn't you be on manual power? Perhaps this is the reason why you are underexposing. My experience with flash photography is extremely limited so maybe someone else can answer this.




  
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Apr 17, 2014 16:32 |  #411

PhotoJourno wrote in post #16841529 (external link)
I have to admit to be drawn to this thread, reminds me of myself quite some time ago (which does not really matter, other than it makes me feel old he he).

You have come a log way, Mario. I am proud to know you. :)


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Apr 17, 2014 17:23 |  #412

Skip Souza wrote in post #16841798 (external link)
You have come a log way, Mario. I am proud to know you. :)

Skipper!!! Many greetings to you and your lovely family.
I think we will see a lot more Mario around POTN

(Clarification note: Not more of me, as in pics of me)
(Clarification to Clariifcation note: I will post pics that I capture, but none of me, specially not in the glamour section. Sorry, those days are over ;) )
(Clarification to clarification of clarification note: I am glad to be around, missed you my friends)


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Apr 18, 2014 14:37 |  #413

I just spent too much time reading this whole thread. I want my money refunded.


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Apr 21, 2014 12:59 |  #414

rholly wrote in post #16844280 (external link)
I just spent too much time reading this whole thread. I want my money refunded.

I promise to refund it.


Oh wait, I changed my mind. :)




  
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Apr 21, 2014 14:11 |  #415

rholly wrote in post #16844280 (external link)
I just spent too much time reading this whole thread. I want my money refunded.

We'll be glad to refund every penny you spent to join this group...


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Apr 27, 2014 17:08 |  #416

Hey Guys,

So Did the shoot in Cape Town it went really well, Ill post the pictures when Im back on my main computer.


Here is one photo I took when I had a few minutes, let me know what you think, what a beautifull place!

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Apr 27, 2014 18:28 |  #417

porky101 wrote in post #16865483 (external link)
Hey Guys,

So Did the shoot in Cape Town it went really well, Ill post the pictures when Im back on my main computer.


Here is one photo I took when I had a few minutes, let me know what you think, what a beautifull place!

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Lighten the foreground a bit. There is a lot of detail being missed. I really think it will improve the image.


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Apr 28, 2014 03:47 |  #418

Ye i know, dont have CS installed on this pc....will fix it up when im home:)




  
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Apr 29, 2014 12:45 |  #419

Actually using ETTL, from my own experience, accounts for whether you have a modifier on your flash or not. Unless your flash can not compensate at 1/1, the current camera bodies do a pre-flash as part of the TTL process and it tells the flash what power to use to get proper exposure. So it does not matter if you have a modifier on or not.
The ETTL function is not something I use regularly, but in a pinch if I know I will only have one chance to get a shot, I hit ETTL and know I will at least get a proper exposure, up to the limits of full power on the flash that is, and I can always adjust some what in post.

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I don't understand why you have your flash set to ETTL with a modifier on. Shouldn't you be on manual power? Perhaps this is the reason why you are underexposing. My experience with flash photography is extremely limited so maybe someone else can answer this.


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Apr 29, 2014 13:54 |  #420

Iscariotau wrote in post #16865625 (external link)
Lighten the foreground a bit. There is a lot of detail being missed. I really think it will improve the image.

Maybe. If he's shooting his 7D the shadows will be 100% noise. Nailing exposure the first time through is critical with the 7D. You can ETTR but never underexpose.


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