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Apr 17, 2014 22:47 |  #16

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Apr 18, 2014 19:46 |  #17

Wonderful shot! Would love to see this blown up and printed.


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Apr 18, 2014 20:15 as a reply to  @ e30mikec's post |  #18

A blog post outlining how this shot was done:

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Apr 18, 2014 22:09 |  #19

Great job faking the sky and stars.
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Apr 19, 2014 06:58 |  #20

No offense, but how can you say "third times a charm" for your visit there when the part of your picture that people are saying wow to (the night sky) wasn't even taken in the same state as the foreground? It would be one thing if you took two shots at the same location and blended those, but this is a little misleading. I think it's a cool image but maybe should be posted in a different forum like a photoshopping forum.



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Apr 19, 2014 08:00 |  #21

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You have misled people into thinking this was an image that you captured at Horseshoe Bend, which is not the case. Half of the picture was taken at Horseshoe Bend and half of it was taken in Death Valley. You have created a computer-generated artificial scene rather then a photograph. The end result may be pleasing to the eye, but it is not a real landscape that exists in any form of physical reality.

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Apr 19, 2014 11:00 |  #22

Incredible shot.
I can see every stars at detail.


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Apr 19, 2014 22:56 as a reply to  @ post 16842384 |  #23

amazing! I especially love the look of the water, but everything else is spectacular too. if I were to make any comment though it would be that the vignetting of the sky looks a little odd to me. just doesn't look right. but still looks beautiful.

edit: I just read the part about the compositing from a different location. hmm... I think I might agree with the comments above on that. I think it's one thing to composite many pictures from the same location (which I do myself), but to me what is depicted here never existed.


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Apr 21, 2014 12:39 |  #24

I don't know why half of the respondents are so up in arms about this. It's a gorgeous image and he isn't trying to fool anyone - it's clearly stated in the thread and the subsequent blog link this is a composite.

No, it's not in the documentry style but he's not representing it as such either. In the end, it's a wonderful image created with a camera and post processing...that's photography, albeit a different style than what some of the more vocal members care for.


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Apr 21, 2014 12:46 |  #25

MNUplander wrote in post #16850559 (external link)
I don't know why half of the respondents are so up in arms about this. It's a gorgeous image and he isn't trying to fool anyone - it's clearly stated in the thread and the subsequent blog link this is a composite.

No, it's not in the documentry style but he's not representing it as such either. In the end, it's a wonderful image created with a camera and post processing...that's photography, albeit a different style than what some of the more vocal members care for.

First off not a knock against the photo which is spectacular.

However in response to your comment, no it was not clearly stated. The whole first page of this thread was a misrepresentation. He started by saying he finally got this shot which implies he got the whole shot. A few posts later he stated he used a tilt shift which I thought he meant he tried to keep the aperture bigger while keeping both top and bottom in focus which would suggest to me that again he took a few shots of the same thing at around the same time.

He didn't mention anything about the sky not being there until the 2nd page. Unless I missed something?

Anyway again nothing against anyone. I'm sure it wasn't a purposeful misrepresentation but I do believe that it was read that way. It would have been clearer if the composite was mentioned in the first post.


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Apr 21, 2014 13:57 |  #26

MNUplander wrote in post #16850559 (external link)
I don't know why half of the respondents are so up in arms about this. It's a gorgeous image and he isn't trying to fool anyone - it's clearly stated in the thread and the subsequent blog link this is a composite.

I'm certainly not up in arms about it. And yes, it's a beautiful image that was conceived and created with software.

The image was displayed for several days with nothing more then ""Finally captured this image during my 3rd visit to Horseshoe Bend" before he later explained in further detail that was in fact a blend of two images that were captured in two completely different geographical areas. To me, that is very misleading until he explained what the image is that we're looking at.

Again, it's a gorgeous computer-generated scene, but it's not a landscape photograph when it contains things that absolutely do not exist at the same location. What if I used computer software to blend in Delicate Arch onto the edge of the Grand Canyon? Would that be a landscape photograph, or would it be a computer-generated scene? Once you start to mix completely different geographical elements together that can't be taken in the same frame, then it ceases to be a photograph.

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Apr 21, 2014 14:12 |  #27

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Apr 21, 2014 15:27 |  #28

OK, so I guess I wasn't aware of the sequence of events and should have paid more attention. So, for those of you that I rubbed wrong, please accept my apologies.

I guess where I diverge is that I don't hold the term "photography" as sacred. I'm of the mind that it can most certainly be called photography if the elements of the image are created with photographic equipment, skill and knowledge along with some luck, persistance and timing. This includes and goes beyond a picture of an Eskimo and Obama riding a tiny horizontal sky scraper like a teeter totter balanced on delicate arch. Of course, that doesnt mean everyone has to like it or it's any good - but that's no different than any other form of art.

This goes double when all of the elements in the composite are captured as well as they are in Zerimar's photo. Where I begin to take issue is if the artist misrepresents what they have created. I understand now this is probably where all the controversy began since it wasn't immediately identified as such.

I don't think it was intentional and this is a great image - bravo.


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Apr 21, 2014 16:17 as a reply to  @ MNUplander's post |  #29

So, if the photographer had fixed in the light fall off in the upper corners, and created more of a realistic light fall off gradient where the earth meets the night sky - and not told anybody about his process, would everything be okay? I know lots of photographers who keep a file of sky/cloud photos - and lots of guidebooks that advocate the practice - to drop into their otherwise dull sky areas via masking. This photo is a nice effort that just needs a little tweaking. I celebrate the photographer's attempt to broaden his creative process with trial and error.




  
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Apr 21, 2014 17:25 |  #30

flunky51 wrote in post #16851050 (external link)
So, if the photographer had fixed in the light fall off in the upper corners, and created more of a realistic light fall off gradient where the earth meets the night sky - and not told anybody about his process, would everything be okay?

No, it would not be ok as he would be leading (or misleading) people to believe that that was a legit photo taken at Horseshoe Bend. I think the overall finished product is awesome, but it's not pure photography. It may be art, but not pure photography. As a photographer, I want people to see what I saw at that location and would never want them questioning my integrity as a photographer. That being said, I have a few HDR images and a few selective coloring shots that' I've done, but I always, always make sure people know they are just that.



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