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Destination Weddings to Canada and the Law

 
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Apr 16, 2014 15:02 |  #61

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1. I've had one, not gonna scan it for you tho ;) It says "not permitted to work" on the front side.
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2. pls read the original post i referred to "absurd" ;)

3. more than likely the tax goes to MA ;)

It was my pleasure!

1. So what gives someone the right to work? I guess I should have said US citizen instead of SS number. My mistake. You are taking my point to literal.

2. Not understanding you here. Do you still think you don't need a type of work permit to work in another state/county/city?

3. If the job was in MA yes. If the job was in RI, more than likely RI gets to claim it. Depends on the state, they are not all the same. But some people like to think they are.

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Apr 16, 2014 19:55 |  #62

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I'm not sure that's true (bold part) I regularly had to come to the US before I moved here while employed and being paid in the UK. Always told the guys at imigration that I was here for work -- ie "hello my company has sent me to work out of the US office to work for 2 weeks". Never had an issue, never needed a work visa.

And I'm sure it is true. I did exactly the same as you for many years. However that is considered "business meetings" and is specifically exempt from the requirement for a work visa. So are airline pilots/crew http://www.cic.gc.ca …/apply-who-nopermit.asp#a (external link) (see specifically "Business Visitors" and "Crew"). Wedding photographers aren't.


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Apr 23, 2014 22:44 |  #63

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A wedding photographer is not media. Media refers to news reporting agencies and other editorial applications.

Actually, case law specifically doesn't differentiate between media journalists and citizens with a camera. AFAIK this is true in both US and canada.

Bloggers are media. Tourists are media. A guy with a cellphone is media.

So I really don't think guests with a camera or media crews will be hassled to a great extent.

I think it depends on how many light and softboxes you're bringing over. It might be worth it to rent on location - vistek has locations.

Second, his market is not canadian. His market is boarding the plane and flying back as soon as they're done wedding each other.


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Apr 23, 2014 23:45 |  #64

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #16857068 (external link)
Actually, case law specifically doesn't differentiate between media journalists and citizens with a camera. AFAIK this is true in both US and canada.

Bloggers are media. Tourists are media. A guy with a cellphone is media.

So I really don't think guests with a camera or media crews will be hassled to a great extent.

I think it depends on how many light and softboxes you're bringing over. It might be worth it to rent on location - vistek has locations.

Second, his market is not canadian. His market is boarding the plane and flying back as soon as they're done wedding each other.

...can you cite the case law you are thinking about?


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Apr 24, 2014 05:37 |  #65

Has anyone picked up the phone and called? I doubt I will ever need to know the answer, but I am curious what the Canadian government's official response is...


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Apr 24, 2014 09:16 |  #66

JasonMK wrote in post #16857448 (external link)
Has anyone picked up the phone and called? I doubt I will ever need to know the answer, but I am curious what the Canadian government's official response is...

Why go to all the hassle of making a phone call. There are so many 'expert' opinions right here I'd just pick the one I like and run with it. What could possibly go wrong? ;)




  
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Apr 24, 2014 09:22 |  #67

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #16857068 (external link)
Actually, case law specifically doesn't differentiate between media journalists and citizens with a camera. AFAIK this is true in both US and canada.

Bloggers are media. Tourists are media. A guy with a cellphone is media.

Correct (generally), because the media are just citizens doing a job. Just like it doesn't generally differentiate between a doctor and a citizen or a car mechanic and a citizen. However that isn't true when you move away from general and into specifics. Immigration law certainly does differentiate between working media and a tourist. If you turn up at the border and claim you are there as a tourist, and then proceed to start working you can be arrested and deported. The same applies if you claim to be a tourist and then proceed to start studying.


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Apr 24, 2014 15:36 |  #68

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If you turn up at the border and claim you are there as a tourist, and then proceed to start working you can be arrested and deported.

Do you know of a single case where a photographer was arrested and deported as you describe?


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Apr 24, 2014 20:18 |  #69

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Do you know of a single case where a photographer was arrested and deported as you describe?

Google to the rescue! photographer-from-us-refused-entry-to-canada-to-cover-indian-wedding (external link)

I would provide more but google is throwing up piles of links going on about something to do with Bieber and I can't be bothered to refine the search.

The point is they can and will deny entry. They might let some slip through. Some may simply say "I'm attending a wedding" and get waved through. Others may try that and be called on the amount of gear they have with them. And some who aren't coming to work as a photographer but bringing a lot of gear may be accused of it and turned back.

If you aren't a Canadian Citizen, then you have no right to cross the border. Canada will allow many people in, but boarder services have every right to refuse entry to anyone else the crown or her agents decide to not let in.


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Apr 24, 2014 23:54 |  #70

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I've never heard any prohibitions against them or recommendations that the bride and groom NOT bring their photographer, but use local people instead.

I was told a story about a friend of a friend who got invited to Jamaica to shoot a friends wedding. He got there with his gear and it turns out the resort they were getting married at didn't allow outside photographers to shoot weddings at the resort and the couple was forced to use the one the resort employed. The guy was given the option of leaving his gear with customs until the departure date or spend extra money to get his ticket changed to leave later that day.




  
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Apr 25, 2014 01:03 |  #71

Dan Marchant wrote in post #16857834 (external link)
If you turn up at the border and claim you are there as a tourist, and then proceed to start working you can be arrested and deported.

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #16858779 (external link)
Do you know of a single case where a photographer was arrested and deported as you describe?

I think you've answered a different question.


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Apr 25, 2014 08:01 |  #72

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Do you know of a single case where a photographer was arrested and deported as you describe?

Well, it's a bit of a stretch and it was Albania in 1985, but I entered the country on a tourist visa - as did my cameraman, armed with a high-end domestic VHS-C. We lasted two days before being rumbled, arrested, held for 24 hours, then deported. They confiscated our mini-cassettes. I was very lucky not to get 8 years in jail. :D


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Apr 25, 2014 08:46 |  #73

except that a Canadian couple hired the detained people. Big difference than what the OP was asking. and yet it's really the same answer :)


Since this has turned into a "what if" discussion.
Even if someone calls they might not get the correct answer or one that allows them to cross the border. The border personal might not enforce the law correctly or interrupt it different. The person they call could be new and not now the law correctly themselves. So in these cases it best to go with the higher standard or a work visa.

Even though the border is close to the OP. The short distance doesn't change that it is a separate country with rules that, might not make sense to someone that close to the border but are in place to deal with everyone that is not from their country regardless of distance.

Google "working in canada from USA as a photographer" and there are many hits on people needing work visa's to do exactly what that OP is thinking. And thankfully very few justin beiber links. :)

Could you cross the border with your passport and say you are attending a wedding, and still shoot it. Probably if you have everything in a small suitcase (pelican 1610) but why risk it?


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Apr 25, 2014 09:35 |  #74

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #16859746 (external link)
I think you've answered a different question.

When the immigration dept decide you aren't coming in what exactly do you think happens? Here's a clue, you don't get to wander off free and do what you want (even if you promise to go jump on a plane right away). You are escorted to an aircraft and put on it (by force if necessary) and deported back from whence you came. They may not actually use the word "arrested" but try to refuse and they most certainly will.


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Apr 25, 2014 09:40 |  #75

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #16859746 (external link)
I think you've answered a different question.

Dan Marchant wrote in post #16860289 (external link)
When the immigration dept decide you aren't coming in what exactly do you think happens? Here's a clue, you don't get to wander off free and do what you want (even if you promise to go jump on a plane right away). You are escorted to an aircraft and put on it (by force if necessary) and deported back from whence you came. They may not actually use the word "arrested" but try to refuse and they most certainly will.

I think what Doc is alluding to that once you clear customs and immigration (on false pretenses let's say) the likelihood of being caught in the act is probably very low.


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