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Apr 25, 2014 09:58 |  #31

Patbil10 wrote in post #16858526 (external link)
I disagree...I suggest staying away from EF-S lenses...

EF-S lenses are made specifically for crop cameras, and the OP, a relative newcomer to photography, has a crop camera. It makes much more sense to buy a lens for the camera he (or she) has now, rather than for some hypothetical future camera that he may never own. Lots of people who buy a DSLR - probably the vast majority - never move to full-frame. I've owned cameras for upwards of 30 years. Since switching to digital I've photographed mainly action, wildlife and people, and am happy with my 7D.

To the OP: I'd suggest choosing your new lens based on what you want it to do, not on whether it'll fit on a camera you may never own. EF-S lenses are generally less expensive than EF lenses, and are tailor-made for your camera.


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Apr 25, 2014 10:20 |  #32

I prefer full frame myself but I took a lot of pics with a 40D before I switched. And not all of them are bad. :-)




  
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Apr 25, 2014 10:25 as a reply to  @ post 16860254 |  #33

I purchased the 17-55 new for $1100CAN and sold it 14 months later for $700. At the time, I was $1400 short on my 5D3 (kitted with the 24-105), so I sold the 60D/17-55 combo for $1400. In retrospect, that was too little but I was very anxious to get the 5D !


I then sold the 24-105 for $800, which helped finance the purchase of the 24-70.


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Apr 25, 2014 10:33 |  #34

Patbil10 wrote in post #16860413 (external link)
I purchased the 17-55 new for $1100CAN and sold it 14 months later for $700. At the time, I was $1400 short on my 5D3 (kitted with the 24-105), so I sold the 60D/17-55 combo for $1400. In retrospect, that was too little but I was very anxious to get the 5D !

Ouch, that's quite a loss. It helps to buy used if you can. All my equipment was bought on the used market, except for my first digital camera and my 24-105 (both were gifts). I've tried and sold a few lenses: 70-300 non-L (bought for $400, sold for $400), 85 f1.8 (bought for $375, sold for $320) and Tamron 28-75 (bought for $300, sold for $320). You have to be fairly careful, but (fingers crossed) I've never encountered a problem with any of my used equipment. For high value items (7D, 70-300) I prefer to buy in person, so I can inspect before buying, but I've bought several lenses off this forum and the transactions have been problem-free.


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Apr 25, 2014 11:28 as a reply to  @ ceegee's post |  #35

Well, the loss was quickly forgotten once I wrapped my hand around the 5D3. :lol:


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Apr 25, 2014 11:43 |  #36

jop, if you want more range, the 55-250 is your answer, the STM version if you can afford it, and if not the IS versions will do...i think owning a fast prime is a great idea as well...whether that's the 50mm f1.8, or something else comes down to budget

Patbil10 wrote in post #16860238 (external link)
Your financial loss was due to an upgrade from one EF lens to another, which is unavoidable in order to have improved optics. Losing money on the EF-S lens is avoidable... ;)

not neccesarily...

say instead of the 17-55IS you bought, you decided to buy a new EF lens, that covered the same focal length...so you opt for either the 16-35mm, or 17-40mm...you use those for the time you have your crop camera...then upgrade to the 5D III...

now i notice you don't have an UWA....so now that you're on a FF camera, your walk around lenses have now become UWA...(totally making this part up)something that you have no interest in is the UWA...so you're forced to sell to buy something in the 24-70/105mm range

boom...you just lost money buying EF

if you don't want to lose money, buy used


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Apr 25, 2014 12:12 |  #37

DreDaze wrote in post #16860596 (external link)
jop, if you want more range, the 55-250 is your answer, the STM version if you can afford it, and if not the IS versions will do...i think owning a fast prime is a great idea as well...whether that's the 50mm f1.8, or something else comes down to budget


not neccesarily...

say instead of the 17-55IS you bought, you decided to buy a new EF lens, that covered the same focal length...so you opt for either the 16-35mm, or 17-40mm...you use those for the time you have your crop camera...then upgrade to the 5D III...

now i notice you don't have an UWA....so now that you're on a FF camera, your walk around lenses have now become UWA...(totally making this part up)something that you have no interest in is the UWA...so you're forced to sell to buy something in the 24-70/105mm range

boom...you just lost money buying EF

if you don't want to lose money, buy used

I see your point. My point is, at least I can slap the EF lens on my new FF camera. No can do with the EF-S...


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Apr 25, 2014 12:22 |  #38

Patbil10 wrote in post #16860672 (external link)
I see your point. My point is, at least I can slap the EF lens on my new FF camera. No can do with the EF-S...

ok...so for you it might have made sense...the op has made no mention of ever acquiring a FF camera though...


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Apr 25, 2014 12:35 |  #39

Moadib wrote in post #16859112 (external link)
MB30, I think 70-200 f2.8 IS II USM lens are the best (for your second lens purchase :p).

LOL!! You cannot be serious. The OP will go broke and give up photography.
Once you go L, you cant go back! However, I still propose the 50mm 1.8.
It's a really light, small, fun and it can be had for $100 or less used.

The 40mm 2.8 is a much better lens but it's still not 1.8.


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Apr 25, 2014 14:22 |  #40

Patbil10 wrote in post #16860413 (external link)
I purchased the 17-55 new for $1100CAN and sold it 14 months later for $700. At the time, I was $1400 short on my 5D3 (kitted with the 24-105), so I sold the 60D/17-55 combo for $1400. In retrospect, that was too little but I was very anxious to get the 5D !


I then sold the 24-105 for $800, which helped finance the purchase of the 24-70.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it being an ef-s lens. The same thing happened to those who bought the 35/2 IS at the opening price of $900 and sold it 14 months later when the new price was a more realistic $600. Or: the 70-200/2.8IS v2 at $2700, the 24-70/2.8 v2 at $2500, 24-70/4IS at $1500, etc.......


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Apr 26, 2014 10:15 |  #41

Patbil10 wrote in post #16857881 (external link)
Depends on your budget and if you plan to one day go to full frame. I first started with the 60D and my first serious lens upgrade after the 50mm f1.8, was the EF-S 17-55. Great lens, but useless on a FF camera, so I lost money there.

I'd say keep you wider lens and pick up the super sharp 70-200 f4L IS. If you need faster and your budget permits it, then go for the 70-200 f2.8 IS II. These lenses are awesome...:)

I agree, except 70-200 f4 nonIS is the best bargain out there.




  
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Apr 26, 2014 11:05 as a reply to  @ shuter113's post |  #42

Thanks for all the advice. I decided to go for the EF-S 55-250mm II as I found it brand new for £140 whereas the STM version is more like £300. I don't really plan on doing video in the near future, so the mk II seemed better value. From what I've read, if I can't get some decent pictures with it then I'm probably doing something wrong!

I'm looking at using the savings, on not getting the STM version, to get a flash. Any thoughts on this: http://www.jessops.com …/products/89980​/Show.html (external link) ? It's over £100 cheaper than the Canon 430 EX II. The Yongnuo 468 II is also much cheaper, at £66.




  
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Apr 27, 2014 16:59 |  #43

First lens I bought as an 'upgrade' for my 350D kit 18-55 was a Sigma 28-300mm f3.5-6.3. I still use it today, primarily as my beach lens & by that I mean I don't mind if I get it wet or sandy as it's really cheap to replace. It shoots OK as in I'm happy with the shots it takes of my kids or that dog playing fetch. Wouldn't necessarily use it on a job though. The second was a EF 50mm F/1.4 - one of my all time favourite lenses. The prime lens made my think a bit more about where I was shooting from and what made my composition. Love the shallow DOF and it's really great for head shots (being the equivalent of 80mm in FF terms). Yes a big zoom can help you learn if you take the time to go over the exif but not as much as you might think.
Don't worry about loosing money if you go full frame, you're not a business that needs to make a profit on every transaction, you're into photographing things & you get to use the lenses you buy now.
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Apr 27, 2014 21:01 |  #44

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I'm fairly new to photography. I recently got a Canon 700D with the 18-55mm kit lens. I'd like a second lens, but the array of options has given me a bit of 'analysis paralysis'! The main thing I'm looking for is longer focal length for use outdoors, but it'd be great if it was fairly versatile (maybe good for portraits, indoors, etc). So far I've been looking at the Canon 55-250mm and 70-300mm and the various versions of theses. Are these lenses good value for money? Are they better than Sigma, Tamron, etc, equivalents? Is it worth looking at pricier lenses (e.g. Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 or Canon 70-200mm f4 IS) or would they not be suitable for beginners? What other lenses could I consider for my second lens purchase?

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Apr 27, 2014 21:22 |  #45

I use canon 18-200 mm for walk around and sold the kit lens.

I love canon 18-200, I never miss anything.


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