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Apr 11, 2014 14:07 |  #76

The last thing you want for sports would be the 28-300. It might be longer, but its 5.6 on the long end. And superzooms, even the good ones, have issues. BTW what ISO were you using late afternoon that you could only go to 1/250? Anyway, if you want longer look at the 100-400. If you want faster look at the 70-200 2.8's. I personally wouldnt get a lens in that range without IS. Not that you will need it for sports, but IS makes it a more versatile lens away from the field.




  
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Apr 11, 2014 14:10 |  #77

You could always swing it with a 70-200 2.8 now and grab the extender later when funds permit. I use the cheap Kenko 1.4x (external link) on mine. At the time, I hadn't planned on using a teleconverter much and couldn't bring myself to spending $500 for the Canon one. I'm happy with it, but the little voice in the back of my head keeps asking me how much better would the Canon one be... I can't bring myself to spending the $500 to find out!


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Apr 11, 2014 14:14 |  #78

im in your delema... I shoot my kids soccer well at least my oldest as I am the assistant coach on my youngest...

anyway.. My problem is simple...
I use my 55-250 for all games. 70-200 doesnt work @ 70 as at times im pulling in and 55 isnt enough....
200 isnt far enough out as 250 isnt either....

so for me the 55-250 works just fine for now but...

I am going to be trying to add the sigma 50-500 to my list. I know I have to sacrifice somewhere as it is a superzoom but still I am not taking magazine pics... just my kids.. so at least with one lens I can zoom in or out as far as I need to go.

just something to consider...


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Apr 11, 2014 14:57 |  #79

I shoot the 28-300 L IS & can warn you it's heavy. I use it on either a 1Ds2 or 1D4 to shoot Radio Control flying events & I generally have to use slower shutter speeds than in other venues so I get prop or rotor blur. For my use it's "golden" & has benched my 35-350 L most of the time. Some will argue that such a superzoom isn't a good way to go but I can't do what I do any other way. The kind of sports you intend to shoot would allow much higher shutter speeds & increase the average sharpness but again it's heavy.
This is one photo I use as an example of what the 28-300 can do. The plane is at full speed, which should be in the 100 MPH area & my shutter speed was 1/500 so the plane moved roughly 4+ inches during the exposure & it has not had any sharpening other than in camera. 1D4, 28-300 L IS at 280 mm & cropped a bit but not drastically.

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and this should show on screen at very close to a 100% crop.

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If you'd like a good idea of it's performance (in good light mind you) this entire album was sahot with a 1D4 & the 28-300 L IS and i limited my shutter speed to a max of 1/320 for the flying.

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Apr 11, 2014 15:38 |  #80

TeleFragger wrote in post #16826730 (external link)
im in your delema... I shoot my kids soccer well at least my oldest as I am the assistant coach on my youngest...

anyway.. My problem is simple...
I use my 55-250 for all games. 70-200 doesnt work @ 70 as at times im pulling in and 55 isnt enough....
200 isnt far enough out as 250 isnt either....

so for me the 55-250 works just fine for now but...

I am going to be trying to add the sigma 50-500 to my list. I know I have to sacrifice somewhere as it is a superzoom but still I am not taking magazine pics... just my kids.. so at least with one lens I can zoom in or out as far as I need to go.

just something to consider...

When the pro's are shooting events, They will often have a 400/2.8 on one body and switch to the 70-200/2.8 II on the second body for when the action gets close. Point here is they do not ask too much of one lens. Now of course this scenario is unrealistic for mere mortals like us, but I would rather have one good lens and try to position myself where I would get the most shots. Then just concentrate on getting real good keepers while the action is in the kill zone, rather than try to shoot all over the map with a superzoom.


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Apr 11, 2014 16:16 |  #81

I really appreciate all the advice and patience with what are likely very basic questions.

FEChariot wrote in post #16826869 (external link)
Then just concentrate on getting real good keepers while the action is in the kill zone, rather than try to shoot all over the map with a superzoom.

After reading and thinking about this a bit - I do think this is probably the best advice [for me] to help solve my dilemma. I think I'm too worried about missing something across the field and should just focus on getting great pictures that within the range of the camera.

Looks like I'm in the market for a 70-200 . . .




  
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Apr 11, 2014 17:21 |  #82

ddk2001 wrote in post #16826950 (external link)
I really appreciate all the advice and patience with what are likely very basic questions.

After reading and thinking about this a bit - I do think this is probably the best advice [for me] to help solve my dilemma. I think I'm too worried about missing something across the field and should just focus on getting great pictures that within the range of the camera.

Looks like I'm in the market for a 70-200 . . .

I just carried the 300 around and planned my shots. When they are midfield I don't worry too much. They get 1/4 field I'm ready.


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Apr 11, 2014 18:13 |  #83

ddk2001 wrote in post #16826950 (external link)
I really appreciate all the advice and patience with what are likely very basic questions.

After reading and thinking about this a bit - I do think this is probably the best advice [for me] to help solve my dilemma. I think I'm too worried about missing something across the field and should just focus on getting great pictures that within the range of the camera.

Looks like I'm in the market for a 70-200 . . .

As mentioned upthread, don't overlook the new Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 VC. I rented one about a year ago and it was fantastic. Price is a little high for your budget at sround $1,400 but a good copy is not far off the best Canon 70-200.

A lot of people struggle with the decision you're struggling with. It's very hard to really know what you need until you've done a lot of shooting and used a few different lenses for the job. 70-200 is a great range, but it can be a little short for some scenarios. Only through shooting will you find out if 200 is long enough, if IS is important to you, or if f/2.8 is really useful given the weight and cost trade off you need to make. It's a tough decision, which is why I punted last year even after trying the Tamron and really liking it. I still don't have the longer lens I want for shooting kids sports. Maybe this year . . .

More actionable thoughts:
Consider renting your top candidate to see how it works for you. A site like lensrentals.com will ship to you and let you get in a good field test. There's a price to pay here, but for $50 - $100 you can get a good hands on feel for a lens before shelling out $1,000.

Buy a used copy of your top candidate and re-sell it if it doesn't work out. The used market here is pretty active and you might not lose much if anything on the two way transaction if you wind up needing to sell.

Keep practicing with your 55-250. It's a decent lens and practicing with it will give you some more experience and data to work with to make a decision to switch. You'll become a better photographer and you'll be able to look at a collection of your photos to see what focal lengths you tend to shoot at. If you find you're always shooting at 250mm, then a 70-200 will probably disappoint you in terms of reach. Otherwise, you might find that you don't go out to 250mm that often, so a 70-200mm might be a great fit for you.

Hope this helps. :)


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Apr 11, 2014 19:21 |  #84

ddk2001 wrote in post #16826950 (external link)
After reading and thinking about this a bit - I do think this is probably the best advice [for me] to help solve my dilemma. I think I'm too worried about missing something across the field and should just focus on getting great pictures that within the range of the camera.

Looks like I'm in the market for a 70-200 . . .

Good idea.




  
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Apr 16, 2014 12:42 |  #85

Well - I've ordered a lens.

I borrowed a 70-200 lens to see how it would go if I was limited to 200mm . . . Bottom line - I think I'd miss the extra length.

So - I started looking for a 70-300L. There's a local guy that was selling his 70-300L, asking $1260 - but wouldn't budge from the price. In fact - in response to my offering him $1000 - he promptly raised his price to $1300. Eh-hem.

After looking a bit more - I decided to order one used from KEH. EX+ condition. Supposed to arrive Friday - so I'll have it for the weekend. After looking and talking to folks local - I started to think it might be a good idea to buy from KEH because (1) I can return it and (2) there is at least some warranty (6 months) on the lens. At $1035 - seemed like a fair deal (given it is significantly less than local used prices).

I've got 4 games to shoot next weekend - so it'll get a good workout within the return period.

Thanks again for all the input and advice -




  
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Apr 16, 2014 12:50 |  #86

Good choice. I went for a 70-200 2.8 IS. The extra two stops at the long end mean more to me and I can crop it if needed. :)


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Apr 16, 2014 13:19 |  #87

ddk2001 wrote in post #16838425 (external link)
Well - I've ordered a lens.

I borrowed a 70-200 lens to see how it would go if I was limited to 200mm . . . Bottom line - I think I'd miss the extra length.

So - I started looking for a 70-300L. There's a local guy that was selling his 70-300L, asking $1260 - but wouldn't budge from the price. In fact - in response to my offering him $1000 - he promptly raised his price to $1300. Eh-hem.

After looking a bit more - I decided to order one used from KEH. EX+ condition. Supposed to arrive Friday - so I'll have it for the weekend. After looking and talking to folks local - I started to think it might be a good idea to buy from KEH because (1) I can return it and (2) there is at least some warranty (6 months) on the lens. At $1035 - seemed like a fair deal (given it is significantly less than local used prices).

I've got 4 games to shoot next weekend - so it'll get a good workout within the return period.

Thanks again for all the input and advice -

Great choice, you will LOVE this lens - it's outstanding. Looking forward to seeing the images ...


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Apr 28, 2014 12:03 |  #88

I've used the lens a couple of times - mostly at my son's lacrosse game over the weekend (Soccer was canceled because of rain Friday).

I'm trying to shoot exclusively in RAW - and am still learning the processing part of the deal - but I'm generally happy with the lens.

T2i, Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM, Av mode, f5.6, iso200, 1/1000, @236mm

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While shooting the game - I heard the distinct sound of a WWII era plane overhead - got this shot (Turns out is Vietnam-war era - a T-28 Trojan).

T2i, Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM, Av mode, f5.6, iso200, 1/2000, @300mm
IMAGE: https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2923/14035649934_aaaeea08df_c_d.jpg
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Here's the RAW version of the above:
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The pics on Flickr do not appear as nice as on my computer. Hmmm . . .

Anyway - any comments are absolutely welcome - good or bad.



  
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