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Apr 29, 2014 08:38 |  #16

And just a note if you want to see what effect IS has turn yours off for a day and shoot and compare the difference .

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Apr 29, 2014 09:14 |  #17

dpds68 wrote in post #16869367 (external link)
And just a note if you want to see what effect IS has turn yours off for a day and shoot and compare the difference .

David

Ha! Didn't even know I could turn it off! I REALLY need to study my camera. 😳




  
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Apr 29, 2014 10:03 |  #18

cartwheel wrote in post #16867811 (external link)
Here's what I need help with:
***Upgrading to 70-200 vs sticking with my 55-250 as a beginner just shooting my kids?

***If I upgrade is the f/2.8 necessary or should I go with the f/4 to shave a few bucks off the price? I want really clear, crisp photos of action/movement but don't want to spend more than is necessary for an amateur.

***How necessary is the IS? I've heard conflicting opinions. My 55-250 has it so I have no experience without it but there is such a price difference!

***Does upgrading need to happen AFTER I learn to shoot manual to really maximize photo quality? Am I doing this in the wrong order??? :)

***Canon vs Tamron? Tamron's lower price has a huge appeal but I've read too many reviews about it's SLOW AF. Makes me hesitant. I haven't researched Sigma but would consider it, too, if recommended.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to help out a beginner!!

To address your questions in order:

First: The XSi-55-250 is a very capable combination that should produce good photos of your kids in action. You don't NEED to upgrade either one to get nice results.

Second: If you decide you WANT to upgrade your lens, think carefully before buying. In your intro paragraph, you say you want a longer focal length, but the lenses you're considering - the 70-200s - are actually quite a bit shorter than your 55-250. So be aware that, if you took this path, you'd be losing reach, not gaining it. To answer the specific question about f4 vs. f2.8: as an amateur shooting outdoor kids' sports, you certainly don't need f2.8. The f4 versions of the lens will be plenty good enough. Don't forget the very significant weight difference between the f4 and f2.8 lenses. The f2.8s are very large beasts to carry around.

Third: I used to own a 70-200 f2.8 without IS, and sold it. Having tried the experience, I would not now buy a lens in that focal range without IS. IS helps for panning shots, and makes the lens so much more versatile for non-action photography. My keeper rate even in low light was much better with the f4 IS than with the f2.8 non-IS. IMHO the IS is well worth the money.

Fourth: You already have good equipment and simply buying a more expensive lens is not going to improve your photographs. Learning to use what you have will make a much bigger impact on the quality of your images. When you're able to get good photos with the equipment you have, you'll know what aspects of your lens or camera are holding you back, and you'll have a much better idea of how to spend your money.

Fifth: As for the question of Canon vs. Tamron vs. Sigma: again, these lenses are 70-200, and therefore shorter than your 55-250. If you decide you want a 70-200 despite losing reach - and they are very good, fast-focusing lenses - you really need to handle the different versions first, to get an idea of the difference in weight and size between the f4s and the f2.8s. As an amateur photographer, I found all the f2.8 versions to be too heavy; I left mine at home more often than not, just so I wouldn't have to carry it around. The f4 IS, while bigger and heavier than your 55-250, is much more manageable.

My advice would be this: Before spending money on equipment, learn to use what you have. Take an online class, buy a book, take a seminar at your local photography store. When you're getting good results with your XSi/55-250, decide which elements you'd like to change: more reach (i.e. a longer lens), faster focusing, more in-camera controls, weather proofing so you can shoot in the rain, etc. Then you can spend your money wisely. And last: don't limit your choice to the 70-200 lenses. There are other good choices too: the 70-300L, the 100-400, etc. But at this stage it seems premature to consider spending $1000 on a lens.

Anyway, good luck with the learning process, and with your decision. And enjoy your photography!


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Apr 29, 2014 10:09 |  #19

I tried my camera in the yard at 9:30 AM CDT this morning to check settings. Set the camera in AV mode, ISO 400 @ f/5.6 point at the grass and shutter speed fluctuated between 1/800 and 1/1000 sec. These are similar to last Saturday at a U6 soccer game, same time and cloudless sky, except I was @ ISO 800 and getting 1/1600 - 1/2000 sec. shutter speed.

***Grass is a good place to check settings, don't use light or dark subjects like clothes.

***Your 55-250 and my 70-300 will not open up faster than f/5.6 at maximum zoom. I I use AV mode, set aperture at f/5.6 to eliminate one variable and get as much background blur as possible with that lens. Then set ISO high enough to guarantee the shutter speed desired, I really like a fast shutter speed.

Lighting conditions will get better in the morning after 9:00 AM IF, IF, IF there are no clouds around. Conditions get progressively worse after mid afternoon - WATCH the shutter speed, you will have to increase the ISO at some time. Conditions get rapidly worse after about 5:00 PM where we live.

I hope this makes sense.


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Apr 29, 2014 10:12 |  #20
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just go to youtube there are lots of training video you can learn from.




  
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Apr 29, 2014 11:24 |  #21

vapore0n wrote in post #16869261 (external link)
If anything, upgrade your camera. The XS is very limited in ISO and focusing. Both lenses you have are great starter lenses.

The OP has the XSi, not the XS.


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Apr 29, 2014 11:31 |  #22

Lumens wrote in post #16869281 (external link)
A good book to start with is "Understanding Exposure" http://www.amazon.com …Photographs/dp/​0817439390 (external link) - This is one of the best books out here to begin with.

A great advice. Plus see if your local high school run night classes on photography. I took quite a few of those, they are very inexpensive. You learn from professionals, and as a rule it is a lot of fun.


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Apr 29, 2014 12:46 |  #23

ceegee & Craign--Great information!! Thanks so much!! I'll definitely put some of your tips into practice. Appreciate it!
Thinkharder--I'll have to check out some YouTube videos.
Lbsimon--I took a behinner's DSLR class at my local community college a few years back but since I didn't dive right into manual mode, I haven't retained most of what I learned! Still have my notes, though! ;)

After reading everybody's responses, I'll hold off on purchasing anything new & focus on the camera itself. I've been meaning to start teaching myself manual...I need to just do it. Which means I will probably be coming back here a lot!




  
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Apr 29, 2014 13:38 |  #24

Another thing...the hood I have for the 55-250 is cylindrical. Would a petal/tulip be better?




  
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Apr 29, 2014 13:59 |  #25

cartwheel wrote in post #16870153 (external link)
Another thing...the hood I have for the 55-250 is cylindrical. Would a petal/tulip be better?

Unless you went out of your way to put the wrong hood on it, Canon does the "guess work" for you and pairs the appropriately sized/shaped hood with the lens. If they put a cylinder hood on it, then that's the "right" hood for your lens.

To re-iterate the recommendation, read "Understanding Exposure", I started there and now own a number of Bryan Peterson's books because he does a great job of explaining the "why" of photography. I went from full auto to Manual, AV, and TV with no apprehension after reading the book.

The complete other side of the coin as far as books is Scott Kelby's "How to make your photos look like the pros'" series. He completely blows past the "why" and just tells you what to do to achieve a shot. He writes it from the perspective of having a pro with you on a shoot and asking "hey, what do I do to make "x" happen?" and he tells you HOW but doesn't get into "why".

Personally I learn/retain a lot better by understanding the "why" of things, but not everyone does.

Both Peterson and Kelby have online educational sites with access to free tutorials that pair up with their books, which you can access as a bonus.




  
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Apr 29, 2014 14:25 as a reply to  @ post 16869299 |  #26

GET THAT book, I have the feeling it will be critical for your understanding of photography. Do it now dont pass GO dont collect $200 do it now , today :)

I have been working at this for over 45 years and still learning every time I take my camera out.

Good luck and enjoy this great hobby/job.


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Apr 29, 2014 15:09 |  #27

cartwheel wrote in post #16870153 (external link)
Another thing...the hood I have for the 55-250 is cylindrical. Would a petal/tulip be better?

The front end of the 55-250 is rotating. So with a tulip hood it may end up sideways, and you will see heavy vignetting on your shots.


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Apr 29, 2014 15:28 |  #28

Thanks again for the book recommendations! Must be a good one. I'll check it out. And I'll stick with the cylinder hood I have. :)




  
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