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May 01, 2014 23:28 |  #1

I am interested in starting a youth action sports photography business and not sure what equipment I really need to make it work? I currently have a Canon T3i with a Canon 70 - 200mm 2.8 IS II USM plus a 1.4 Tele converter. My results are mixed some soft focus, my reach too short. The speed of the camera fps seems way too slow. I am looking for recommendations for a new body and/or lens. Do I need to go to full frame or stick to crop sensor? Really confused and not sure how much I really need to spend. Your help is much appreciated.




  
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May 02, 2014 06:35 |  #2

I would start with at least a 300 f/4 and a 7D camera. For a business I think you need two cameras so you always have a backup. I use a Mark IV and 300 2.8 for 90% of my business. 7D is my backup and it usually has the 70-200 attached.


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May 02, 2014 15:03 |  #3

It would be helpful to have an idea as to where you are and what types of sports you plan to shoot.

There's a lot of advice on the forums with regards to sports candids, so I recommend using the search feature. Here's a particularly good thread (external link), which includes the following quote "the bottom line will be this... the industry from your perspective is dead no matter how many tell you to "try this" and "try that"."


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May 02, 2014 17:22 |  #4

What do you mean by that quote? Very confusing advice there


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May 02, 2014 17:44 |  #5

This topic has been discussed many times before... First question before you spend more money is there a market for what you would like to offer? Many parents get themselves a point and shoot camera and will probably will be happy with the results. Kids want inmediate satisfaction or digital downloads so they can post them in their favorite social networks. On the other hand, many organized leagues try to keep a slice of the photography revenue stream by giving exclusivity to one or two photographers for a percentage of their sales. This means that perhaps you will not gain access to the sporting venue to take pictures up close or on the sidelines.

I would rather try to go on with whatever equipment you have as this idea of becoming a sports photographer for kids can become expensive. If you are thinking football or baseball and would like to go full frame the you will not have the APS-C sensor and the same great lens you have now, will not be as splendid anymore as you will lose some reach. Then there is the issue if you are going to shoot only day games or also at night. The same camera you might get might not prove to so great at night. In any case, I was just thinking aloud...

I shoot with a 1DX and a 300 f/2.8 L II or a 70-200 f/2.8 L II and have a 7D as a backup.

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May 02, 2014 20:32 |  #6

eigga wrote in post #16878037 (external link)
What do you mean by that quote? Very confusing advice there

Did you follow the link? It might not have been very obvious, so here it is: http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/12791​00/0 (external link)

Basic premise is there isn't much money in sports candids anymore. Those doing well are doing team and individual sales and/or providing posters, banners, etc. Not saying there aren't exceptions though.


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May 02, 2014 20:57 |  #7

I got the link but I was pointing out the OP asked about recommendations for equipment not business advice. I do very well with my youth sports business regardless how many cameras the parents have. All businesses are difficult to start and photography is no different. Best of luck to you!


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May 02, 2014 20:59 |  #8

Agree with all the above. I posted my comments on your other thread in sports talk.


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May 02, 2014 21:10 |  #9

pat.kane wrote in post #16878361 (external link)
Basic premise is there isn't much money in sports candids anymore. Those doing well are doing team and individual sales and/or providing posters, banners, etc. Not saying there aren't exceptions though.

That pretty much sums it up, :D


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May 03, 2014 03:05 |  #10

If you are using a crop frame camera and a 70-200mm and still too far away, I'm assuming you are shooting field sports. If you live in an area that has rental equipment, you may want to look at that as a means of getting the gear you need while testing the market.


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May 03, 2014 07:16 |  #11

eigga wrote in post #16878411 (external link)
I got the link but I was pointing out the OP asked about recommendations for equipment not business advice. I do very well with my youth sports business regardless how many cameras the parents have. All businesses are difficult to start and photography is no different. Best of luck to you!

Hence the reason I asked what types of sports the OP planned to shoot. There's a world of difference between someone only interested in shooting indoors vs field sports. Maybe they want to shoot everything, but without info, some examples of what they've shot, etc., it is hard to offer advice on gear. The linked article was to serve as a warning in case the poster thought this was going to be easy.


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May 03, 2014 13:26 |  #12

pat.kane wrote in post #16879009 (external link)
Hence the reason I asked what types of sports the OP planned to shoot. There's a world of difference between someone only interested in shooting indoors vs field sports. Maybe they want to shoot everything, but without info, some examples of what they've shot, etc., it is hard to offer advice on gear. The linked article was to serve as a warning in case the poster thought this was going to be easy.

Agree with all of this. Thanks for clarifying


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May 04, 2014 00:46 |  #13

actionphotos wrote in post #16876400 (external link)
I am interested in starting a youth action sports photography business and not sure what equipment I really need to make it work? I currently have a Canon T3i with a Canon 70 - 200mm 2.8 IS II USM plus a 1.4 Tele converter. My results are mixed some soft focus, my reach too short. The speed of the camera fps seems way too slow. I am looking for recommendations for a new body and/or lens. Do I need to go to full frame or stick to crop sensor? Really confused and not sure how much I really need to spend. Your help is much appreciated.

With all due respect, I think you need to rethink your business plan. If you are confused about what equipment you need to shoot sports you need to stop and actually get good at it first. Otherwise you'll sink fast, real fast.

Action sports isn't what it used to be. Most parents won't care about quality and will probably not buy from you. One way I've seen people be successful at this is if you set up stations at a tournament and have onsite viewing and printing, but that costs a lot of upfront capital and man power.


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May 04, 2014 08:31 |  #14

When you use a teleconverter, stop down a bit. It'll get rid of some of the softness. With my 300 f/2.8 IS II I use a 1.4x III, which puts me at 420mm f/4, but I stop down to f/5 or f/5.6 and it's close to as sharp as my 300 without the 1.4 on it. :)


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May 04, 2014 18:12 |  #15

xchangx wrote in post #16880546 (external link)
With all due respect, I think you need to rethink your business plan. If you are confused about what equipment you need to shoot sports you need to stop and actually get good at it first. Otherwise you'll sink fast, real fast.

Action sports isn't what it used to be. Most parents won't care about quality and will probably not buy from you. One way I've seen people be successful at this is if you set up stations at a tournament and have onsite viewing and printing, but that costs a lot of upfront capital and man power.

I agree, if you don't believe this check out some threads in the business section.
A parent with a cheap Rebel and 55-250IS can get good sports action pics from the sidelines




  
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