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May 01, 2014 14:24 |  #451

you mean those streaks? I LOVE them in his eyes? the second image? I love that look...

You'll grow out of it.




  
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May 01, 2014 14:30 |  #452

porky101 wrote in post #16875321 (external link)
Ok figured what is causing the horrible noise, it is the sharpen in LIGHT ROOM.

If using unsharp mask in photo shop its fine...but using the light room sharpness boost causes noise.

I dont think it is enough of an issue to rework the photo's, infuture though I wont use light room sharpness.

Well, i mean...forget about the "technicallities" for a moment and look at the picture and what do you think? Awsome! or Bleh!?

Hold down "alt" and move the mask slider under "sharpen" in lightroom. Google around on lightroom sharpening and you'll see how to get great results out of it.


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May 01, 2014 14:36 |  #453

Ok, well I like that....dont want it over sharpened though....I think the give away is the noise in the images, that mistake I wont do again.

Here is one more pic I have finished working on, I would like your guys oppinion on it too, I have sharpened this one as much as the others but I avoided using light room sharpening and instead used photoshop, the result is a much cleaner image it seems.

Thanks guys:)

Hold down "alt" and move the mask slider under "sharpen" in lightroom. Google around on lightroom sharpening and you'll see how to get great results out of it.

--This changes the img to B&W making noise easier to see? clever. thanks for the tip


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You'll grow out of it.

Checked the original, those are in his eyes, but they actually his eye lashes.




  
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May 01, 2014 15:02 |  #454

porky101 wrote in post #16875344 (external link)
--This changes the img to B&W making noise easier to see? clever. thanks for the tip

It's showing you a mask of what will be sharpened. Without a mask, you're sharpening everything and that's why the noise looks so nasty. Take your mask up to like 60-80 and you'll just be sharpening what you want to. Holding ALT lets you see the mask.


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May 01, 2014 17:13 |  #455

texkam wrote in post #16875322 (external link)
You'll grow out of it.

This^

The central point that does run through the many issues of this thread seems to be naïveté.

The age old phrase 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' springs to mind.


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May 01, 2014 17:33 |  #456

porky101 wrote in post #16875054 (external link)
oh ok 1 sec, uploading another


IMG_0558 (external link) by porky102 (external link), on Flickr[/IMG]

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You should resize those 2 images per forum rules (1024px on long side). ;)


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May 02, 2014 11:09 |  #457

Thanks D Thompson, I never knew about that rule. Ill keep them at 1024 from now on.

Guys, Please would you tell me if you like these, I think they cool:)

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May 05, 2014 13:52 |  #458

Bleh, never got the wedding:(

Guess they were not too happy with my engagement party photo's.....they did pay me though. To be fair to them though, I dont have a massive portfolio compared to the other top wedding photographers in my area, I need to do some for free perhaps just to get a portfolio going to show wedding clients.




  
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May 05, 2014 13:54 |  #459

porky101 wrote in post #16883822 (external link)
Bleh, never got the wedding:(

Guess they were not too happy with my engagement party photo's.....they did pay me though. To be fair to them though, I dont have a massive portfolio compared to the other top wedding photographers in my area, I need to do some for free perhaps just to get a portfolio going to show wedding clients.

I would urge you to try to find some work as a second shooter. Not only to help build your portfolio and your knowledge base, but also to see how the other photographer interacts with the clients.




  
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May 05, 2014 14:17 |  #460

porky101 wrote in post #16883822 (external link)
Bleh, never got the wedding:(

Guess they were not too happy with my engagement party photo's.....they did pay me though. To be fair to them though, I dont have a massive portfolio compared to the other top wedding photographers in my area, I need to do some for free perhaps just to get a portfolio going to show wedding clients.

Ah! Self-awareness and paying attention are just so overrated aren't they?


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May 05, 2014 14:27 |  #461

I dont have a massive portfolio

Because after all, size matters.




  
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May 05, 2014 16:03 |  #462

porky101 wrote in post #16883822 (external link)
Bleh, never got the wedding:(

Guess they were not too happy with my engagement party photo's.....they did pay me though. To be fair to them though, I dont have a massive portfolio compared to the other top wedding photographers in my area, I need to do some for free perhaps just to get a portfolio going to show wedding clients.

Nearly guaranteed to get you loads of clients wanting you to shoot their wedding for free, as well.


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May 05, 2014 19:38 as a reply to  @ jwhite65's post |  #463

And when you become known as the free/cheap wedding photographer, you will fit that mold for a long time.


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May 06, 2014 02:03 |  #464

Ahh. Shooting weddings, internet myth no.1

Before shooting a wedding you must find work as a 2nd shooter

Internet myth no.2

If you ever work free or cheap you can never increase your prices.

Both complete bullsh1t, and everyone knows it (including the posters above I would bet).

I can only imagine that they're propagated by old guys desperately clinging to their market position, but you only have to look for threads titled 'how did you start in the business' or 'how do I get 2nd shooter opportunities' or similar to blow a hole straight through them.

1. Photographers looking to employ 2nd shooters want people who are competent, preferably with a track record, who will definitely not become competition. They don't want to take on the guy down the road who wants training up to become their competition. You will find it either hard or impossible to gain experience as a 2nd shooter, and of the hundreds of wedding photographers who regularly contribute here, only a handful actually started this way.

2. Almost all of us shot our first weddings for free or very little. The really good salesmen could manage to sell high value weddings with no portfolio, the rest of us worked our way up the price scale. However, business skills still play a major part, your business may thrive as you put up your prices, or it will stall. That's market forces at work.

But for the OP, this is a reality check. He's been told many times that he lacks the self awareness required to improve and learn, hopefully he can sit down and think about how he can use his strengths (self confidence) to counter this and move on.


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May 06, 2014 02:10 |  #465

Phil V wrote in post #16885167 (external link)
Before shooting a wedding you must find work as a 2nd shooter

I wish someone told me that :D 150 weddings in and I've never seconded.

Phil V wrote in post #16885167 (external link)
If you ever work free or cheap you can never increase your prices.

My first 4 weddings were free... I now average over $4k a wedding.


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