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May 16, 2014 02:48 |  #496

Actually....you are raising a good point. One of the reasons why DSLR will lose their market share eventually is because of their bulk and look. You will soon start having products like Sony A7r, Fujifilm, Olympus taking the market share quickly. Much lighter, smaller...already very capable and very soon could possibly even surpass the IQ of DSLRs.

I think DSLRs will be used solely by professionals 5 years from now....other people will start switching


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May 16, 2014 02:54 |  #497

light_pilgrim wrote in post #16907969 (external link)
Actually....you are raising a good point. One of the reasons why DSLR will lose their market share eventually is because of their bulk and look. You will soon start having products like Sony A7r, Fujifilm, Olympus taking the market share quickly. Much lighter, smaller...already very capable and very soon could possibly even surpass the IQ of DSLRs.

I think DSLRs will be used solely by professionals 5 years from now....other people will start switching

For sure they will, but I'm less convinced about the A7 line since the lenses for it are still pretty huge if you want fast aperture. That's one of the big reasons I'm more interested in the X-T1 over the A7r. The primes aren't too much bigger, but when you look at the size of the 70-200/4 G on the Sony it kinda makes you wonder why you'd not just get the equivalent lens for your DSLR.


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May 16, 2014 03:01 |  #498

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16907957 (external link)
DSLR bodies look like crap regardless of what lens is on them... so I really don't see the point. For something like an Olympus or Fuji I can see why looks might matter, but for a DSLR I really don't see the point in making it look pretty. You can't polish a turd.

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May 16, 2014 03:05 |  #499

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16907975 (external link)
For sure they will, but I'm less convinced about the A7 line since the lenses for it are still pretty huge if you want fast aperture. That's one of the big reasons I'm more interested in the X-T1 over the A7r. The primes aren't too much bigger, but when you look at the size of the 70-200/4 G on the Sony it kinda makes you wonder why you'd not just get the equivalent lens for your DSLR.

Yes, I agree. I think one of them and most of them will figure it out in the next 5 years or something. I still believe professional photographers will use DSLRs (Sports, wildlife...). But even Landscape I am not sure...very soon you will not need DSLR for landscapes at all and will appreciate a smaller and lighter body.


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May 16, 2014 03:20 |  #500

light_pilgrim wrote in post #16907969 (external link)
Actually....you are raising a good point. One of the reasons why DSLR will lose their market share eventually is because of their bulk and look.

Yep.


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May 16, 2014 04:23 |  #501

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I've owned both, on both formats. The 17-40L on a FF destroys the 10-22 on a crop. Everything about the image is better. That doesn't mean you can't take great photos with the 10-22 on a crop. You can, and many of them. Same with the Sigma 10-20. But the detail and color is just on another level with the 17-40 on FF(I actually found the contrast and color superior with the 17-40L when using it on crop, too).

Agreed, I find the 17-40mm to be consistently sharper than the 10-22mm, and the corners are sharper as well.

light_pilgrim wrote in post #16907885 (external link)
One thing I do not get....seems to be the the quality of lenses is getting worse (not talking optics). All plastic L? Strange to me. Look at Zeiss or Sigma. Feels like a plastic toy.

Plastic has a better weight to strength ratio.
Besides, if you drop metal it can bend, a quality plastic is going to scuff but it will retain it's shape.

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Do you imagine a plastic Zeiss or Leica lens?


These companies have different goals. Leica is in the business of creating high quality luxury items, Canon is in the business of creating high performance and high reliability tools.
That is to say, Canon desires to make a robust and lightweight lens for the best tool possible in the field, while Leica desires to make a luxury item that feels 'nice' to hold in the hand.


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May 16, 2014 04:56 |  #502

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Anyways, feel wrong to me that Canon's L lenses are now plastic and look/feel rather cheap compared to Zeiss, ...

My two year old Zeiss ZE looks a little tired cosmetically now, with a paint chip and brassing on the hood. I assume this is a portent of what the whole lens will look like after a bit more use. My seven year old plastic Canon L looks as good as it did when new; although there's a patina on the hood, it's not unsightly.

I definitely would like this new lens less if the filter thread turns out to be plastic. (The 16-35mm f/2.8 Mk II has a metal thread.) However, Canon's plastic filter threads are a more accurate fit than the Zeiss chromed one.

Finally, given the use cases for the new lens, a light build quality is appropriate.




  
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May 16, 2014 05:50 |  #503

Are you guys seriously arguing that the plastic is better than metal? I can't believe what I have just read through. When I got my 50 art, my first thought was that it made my 135 look like crap and was better build than my 24. It oozes more quality in construction, it is not even a debate.

Would the same people praising the canon L plastic also be the same crowd that shares the thoughts of the hundreds of pages of anti plasticy cheap body comments about the 6d etc.? Sorry, but a machined metal lens body a la Zeiss is just a far superior way of manufacturing to tolerances and maintaining them throught use.

Now all that said, it is a lens and clearly the polycarbonate is fine.


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May 16, 2014 06:09 |  #504

Lets get back on topic here... so the new 16-35L... Hot or not? lol


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May 16, 2014 06:16 |  #505

freitz wrote in post #16908144 (external link)
Lets get back on topic here... so the new 16-35L... Hot or not? lol

Too early to tell….in 6 weeks we'll know the answer


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May 16, 2014 06:49 |  #506

Freedom of choice is what you have.
Freedom from choice is what you want.


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May 16, 2014 06:53 |  #507

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Freedom of choice is what you have.
Freedom from choice is what you want.

This describes someone moving from Android to Apple.


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May 16, 2014 06:55 |  #508

how many pages do you think this thread would be without all the arguing? :P


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May 16, 2014 07:18 |  #509

freitz wrote in post #16908144 (external link)
Lets get back on topic here... so the new 16-35L... Hot or not? lol

I would say "Hot!". ;) Preorder is in along with the A7s. :)




  
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May 16, 2014 07:32 |  #510

Nick3434 wrote in post #16908125 (external link)
Are you guys seriously arguing that the plastic is better than metal? I can't believe what I have just read through. When I got my 50 art, my first thought was that it made my 135 look like crap and was better build than my 24. It oozes more quality in construction, it is not even a debate.

Would the same people praising the canon L plastic also be the same crowd that shares the thoughts of the hundreds of pages of anti plasticy cheap body comments about the 6d etc.? Sorry, but a machined metal lens body a la Zeiss is just a far superior way of manufacturing to tolerances and maintaining them throught use.

Now all that said, it is a lens and clearly the polycarbonate is fine.

I think sometimes people just pick the opposite side for the sake of an argument. If you read the Sigma 35 Art or Sigma 50 Art forums you will see Canon community praising the design, quality of the build, etc. Same about Zeiss. I used to own 35 ZE and when it comes to the build quality it was on another level. I think that what makes Canon lenses better for Canon camera bodies is the AF. For everything else Zeiss is superior and now Sigma:-)


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