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May 21, 2014 06:41 |  #1

Hi guys,

I need your opinion and advise please. I recently bought two brand new canon 600 EX-RT flashes and I am also thinking about purchasing the transmitter but cannot decide if to go with Canon ST e3 or YoungNuo E3 RT. Price difference is a little over $100.00 but I am wondering if there will be any drawbacks for using 3rd party transmitter?

Thought of instead purchasing a 3rd flash came to mind was well instead of transmitter but I would prefer less weight.

I will be pairing this with Canon 5D MKII and I have read that the YongNuo is compatible for remote shooting cameras post 2012? Not sure how true it is but I am hoping someone can shed some light on this for me?

Thank you all very much!

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May 21, 2014 08:19 |  #2

If I had to buy another Transmitter, I would buy the Canon. Reliability and more importantly support. I know it works, how it works, and product support, whether phone or an hours drive from home.


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May 21, 2014 08:25 |  #3

Karim1980 wrote in post #16919384 (external link)
I will be pairing this with Canon 5D MKII and I have read that the YongNuo is compatible for remote shooting cameras post 2012? Not sure how true it is but I am hoping someone can shed some light on this for me?

Thank you all very much!

Karim.

If you want all the Gr features with your 5DII then the YN-E3 is the only option.
The Canon ST-E3 support radio triggering but is limited to the 580EXII optical trigger features. There are a few things that work unofficially.

The way I use my 600EX-RTs Gr mode is where I am 90+ % of the time.


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May 21, 2014 08:35 |  #4

What is the application? The YN has AF assist and the ST does not however I have read the AF assist is a bit sketchy particularly on a 5D3. It does not cover all focus points.

The ST does not offer second curtain sync if that is important to you but the YN is in manual only.

I have 3 600's and the ST-E3. When in studio mode the ST-E3 is on the camera. When in dark venue and if I put two 600's on stands for background lighting and the 3rd goes on my camera. I get dedicated AF assist and I bounce for the subject exposure.

I don't know much about reliability. I have not heard too many complaints. I would agree with Nick about support. Always easier when within the family.


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May 21, 2014 08:39 |  #5

dmward wrote in post #16919550 (external link)
If you want all the Gr features with your 5DII then the YN-E3 is the only option.
The Canon ST-E3 support radio triggering but is limited to the 580EXII optical trigger features. There are a few things that work unofficially.

The way I use my 600EX-RTs Gr mode is where I am 90+ % of the time.

Group mode is awesome. I have to wonder why YN could do it and Canon could not? Perhaps by limiting to 2012 and newer cams might get sales up bit?


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May 21, 2014 08:48 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #6

Yes, the interesting thing is how Yongnuo convinced a camera, which doesn't know about anything more than three flash groups, to do E-TTL metering for five groups? Because that's what I assume is the issue which kept Canon from implementing the group mode with older cameras.


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May 21, 2014 11:56 |  #7

5DmII + YN-E3-RT = <Gr> mode = :D


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May 21, 2014 17:27 |  #8

agv8or wrote in post #16920071 (external link)
5DmII + YN-E3-RT = <Gr> mode = :D

Thank you everyone for your input, it really is helpful to get your feedback.

I am reading more on GR mode and I will need that feature to control flash power individually on the go.

Most likely pulling the trigger on YT.




  
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May 21, 2014 18:52 |  #9

apersson850 wrote in post #16919594 (external link)
Yes, the interesting thing is how Yongnuo convinced a camera, which doesn't know about anything more than three flash groups, to do E-TTL metering for five groups? Because that's what I assume is the issue which kept Canon from implementing the group mode with older cameras.

That is an interesting question.
Some day I'm going to have to borrow a couple of 600EX-RTs from a friend and figure out a way to test that with the ST-E3 and then a YN-E3 on an older camera.


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May 21, 2014 19:47 |  #10

Here's another question......if I have 600ex rt on camera and another 600ex rt off camera, how can I disable the on camera flash from firing if I only want to use the off camera option for a particular shot?

I know I can do it in group mode by turning the master off, but with 5d MK2, I don't think it's possible? Unless I am way off and am hoping someone can correct me?




  
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May 21, 2014 20:25 |  #11

The Master flash can be disabled from firing in any of the wireless modes.


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May 21, 2014 20:59 |  #12

Thank you so much. I should be reading more of the manual, but so tired of reading all this material now lol.




  
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May 22, 2014 08:39 |  #13

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That is an interesting question.
Some day I'm going to have to borrow a couple of 600EX-RTs from a friend and figure out a way to test that with the ST-E3 and then a YN-E3 on an older camera.

Canon also siad that that sync speed was effected on pre 2012 cameras with the ST-E3. You had to use a slower shutter however reports from all over the place say that it will work at sync speed.

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May 22, 2014 12:00 |  #14

The Yongnuo version apparently slowly drains its batteries while off, so you'll need to adjust to that. The Canon does not.


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May 22, 2014 23:19 |  #15

As you have invested in the expensive Canon side to me the STE-3 is a no brainer,
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I appreciate the Group mode thing for pre 2012 Cameras but will you update the camera some-ish?


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