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6D AutoFocus is Horrible.

 
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May 21, 2014 16:34 |  #46

^I've liked having AI-Servo set to the DoF preview button as well. Handy.

I've not had much reason to complain about the 6D's AF and I rarely focus with the center point. The 6D is the wrong tool for certain people with exacting requirements, but that's what the 5DIII is for. For my needs the 6D works fine. What I don't particularly like is the AF point selection process, which still feels clunky and slow after a year or so of use. I'd love more points and more efficient options for selecting them, sure, but I'm not willing to pay another grand and carry a significantly heavier camera to get those things. Most of my misses are user error.


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May 21, 2014 17:03 |  #47
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DwainRowe wrote in post #16920148 (external link)
I am curious why the usual 6D bashers haven't shown up in this thread yet. Could they be out shooting photos?

Nah. Couldn't be.

Could it be that they have finally "seen the light" and toned down their spite due to the reality of a fine 6D AF system?


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May 21, 2014 18:12 |  #48

CaliWalkabout wrote in post #16920719 (external link)
AF point selection process, which still feels clunky and slow after a year or so of use. I'd love more points and more efficient options for selecting them, sure, but I'm not willing to pay another grand and carry a significantly heavier camera to get those things. Most of my misses are user error.

I hope the 6D2 will address these annoying issues. Even my older 5Dc with it's ancient joystick feels more enjoyable when choosing af points. If the 6D2 doesnt address this then I'll definitely pass in favor of a 5D3. I definitely dont like the weight of the 5D3, but hate the point selection of the 6D worse. Even the 60D had a better point selection.


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May 21, 2014 19:40 |  #49

I am sorry but the 6D is rubbish in all respects - now that you know this, can I buy one of yours cheap?????????


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May 21, 2014 20:08 |  #50

I think a drastic improvement would be an upgrade in the centre focus area with a three way sensor - vertical/horizontal and diagnal with more precision, forget about having 50 + areas if like me you only centre subjects in the middle and track them, the rest of the sensors are redundant.

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May 21, 2014 20:12 |  #51

Imagine a focus sensor that not only finds its target but has an additional cross focus sensor that can find even smaller objects and lock on to them even beyond our eyesight range.


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May 21, 2014 20:17 |  #52

I feel old... All the hours I spent focusing that bride walking down the isle, or getting that flying bird, I appreciate all auto-focus capabilities. I guess I haven't yet learned to complain about them yet because I'm just happy they are available. It used to be a skill we learned, now it's a technology we depend on.




  
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May 21, 2014 20:52 |  #53

I do mostly landscapes and night time stuff with long exposures. Just bought one today. Glad to hear the AF isn't completely unusable for anything outside of the center point. YouTube videos make it sound like the end of the world. But I wanted a full frame with low noise for star trails and landscapes and the 5D3 was out of range, the 70D is a crop and seems awesome but less geared towards my 80% usage area, and Nikon seems to have dirty sensors? This was nerve racking. At least it's over for another 5 or 6 years or so for me.
I cannot believe the AF is gonna be worse than my XSI was. If it's borderline line the same for action I will be bummed for a few minutes....or until I get to test -3ev in the weee morning hours.


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May 22, 2014 03:01 |  #54
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I've been following along with this. I guess it is about time for my two-cents worth. I bought a 5Dc about two years ago. Late last year I upgraded that body to a 6D. I've also been using a 60D for about four years.

Comparing the AF on the 5Dc and 6D is almost an exercise in idiocy. The 5Dc struggled in mediocre light, with fast glass, even using the center point. The outer points would regularly hunt in shady areas of broad daylight. My 6D has none of these problems. The outer points of the 6D will focus, accurately if not quickly, in light the 5Dc's center point would choke on. I have no complaints about my 6D's ability to focus, quickly and adequately, in good light. Likewise, it will focus accurately in very poor light, albeit a bit slowly at times.

When it comes to shooting things that move, I think the 60D is superior, in every way, to the 6D. Be advised that this may be inexperience talking. I tried some sports with my 6D and the 100 f/2, and Sigma 70-200 OS. Neither performed to the level they do on the 60D. If shooting moving targets, I use my 60D.

The 6D is my first body with MFA. As far as I am concerned, it doesn't need it. Or maybe I don't need it. None of the following list of lenses needed any MFA adjustment:
Tamron 28-75
Sigma 70-200 OS
Canon 28-135
Canon 35 2 IS
Canon 100-400L
Canon 100 2

Maybe MFA is more useful to those of you shooting f/1.2 or f/1.4 lenses. So far, I am happy with my 6D and its 'hobbled' AF system. Although, I must admit, I'd rather have a 5D3. Finances don't permit that.




  
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May 22, 2014 03:17 |  #55

CollegeKid wrote in post #16921758 (external link)
I've been following along with this. I guess it is about time for my two-cents worth. I bought a 5Dc about two years ago. Late last year I upgraded that body to a 6D. I've also been using a 60D for about four years.

Comparing the AF on the 5Dc and 6D is almost an exercise in idiocy. The 5Dc struggled in mediocre light, with fast glass, even using the center point. The outer points would regularly hunt in shady areas of broad daylight. My 6D has none of these problems. The outer points of the 6D will focus, accurately if not quickly, in light the 5Dc's center point would choke on. I have no complaints about my 6D's ability to focus, quickly and adequately, in good light. Likewise, it will focus accurately in very poor light, albeit a bit slowly at times.

When it comes to shooting things that move, I think the 60D is superior, in every way, to the 6D. Be advised that this may be inexperience talking. I tried some sports with my 6D and the 100 f/2, and Sigma 70-200 OS. Neither performed to the level they do on the 60D. If shooting moving targets, I use my 60D.

The 6D is my first body with MFA. As far as I am concerned, it doesn't need it. Or maybe I don't need it. None of the following list of lenses needed any MFA adjustment:
Tamron 28-75
Sigma 70-200 OS
Canon 28-135
Canon 35 2 IS
Canon 100-400L
Canon 100 2

Maybe MFA is more useful to those of you shooting f/1.2 or f/1.4 lenses. So far, I am happy with my 6D and its 'hobbled' AF system. Although, I must admit, I'd rather have a 5D3. Finances don't permit that.


Id rather have a 5d3 as well. the 6d just seemed to good of a deal for what your getting for the money, i was just always afraid to shoot moving subjects like action sports or animals running but i honestly had nothing to worry about, I'm actually impressed with how well the auto focus keeps up in servo mode.


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May 22, 2014 04:14 |  #56

Nissanfairladyz32 wrote in post #16921769 (external link)
Id rather have a 5d3 as well. the 6d just seemed to good of a deal for what your getting for the money, i was just always afraid to shoot moving subjects like action sports or animals running but i honestly had nothing to worry about, I'm actually impressed with how well the auto focus keeps up in servo mode.

Actually I have a 5D3 and I'm hanging onto the 6D. Why? Well because sometimes it produces better results. It has a better sensor, cleaner high ISO and more tonal detail if you raise shadows significantly.
However, out side of these extreme situations the 5D3 sensor seems to produce better more saturated colours. But if you're shooting real estate, architecture or landscape, you'll get better results with the 6D due to it's better shadow performance.


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May 22, 2014 04:18 |  #57
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Nissanfairladyz32 wrote in post #16921769 (external link)
Id rather have a 5d3 as well. the 6d just seemed to good of a deal for what your getting for the money, i was just always afraid to shoot moving subjects like action sports or animals running but i honestly had nothing to worry about, I'm actually impressed with how well the auto focus keeps up in servo mode.

We're on the same page. I am not afraid to use my 6D for yard-parties, or kids on the playground and generally predictable stuff. I do get better results with my 60D for erratic stuff like soccer and basketball. As mentioned though, that may be due to inexperience. I am not a sports shooter, or even a sports enthusiast. Neither have I tried to adjust the AI-Servo focus parameters on my 6D.




  
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May 22, 2014 04:44 |  #58

What I found the most limiting with 6D af is it's necessity to use central (great) af point in very low light. Simply the others often can't lock focus on people eyes/faces in light levels below ev 3 (weakly light living-room at night, candle light etc).
Center point can lock focus (sometimes after hunting a bit) even in nearly completely dark corners on dark-black items - it's incredible how sensitive it is even with f4 zoom.
I would happily compromise a little center to have better the others, but not for another 1000 pounds.
So overall I am very happy.
I do not use much af tracking, but I have dof preview mapped as one shot/tracing switch and it's very useful sometimes.




  
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May 23, 2014 05:25 |  #59

I miss my 6D.


Sold my first DSLR & lens = 6D (24-105L) & (40)
Now what prime should i get with the 7d mark ii?...

  
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May 23, 2014 06:12 |  #60

Of course its not the same as 1Dx or 5DIII, but its very cabable in low light and atleast for me keeps up very well with birds in flight and sports. I cant see the diffrence when I tested 1D mark IV and 6D side by side, just as fast with same lens (400mm f/2.8) and just as reliable.

I dont get why people complain about 6D, its cheaper so its automaticaly rubbish? Yeah, right...


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