Would you buy a 7D mark ii?

Lyle Krannichfeld wrote in post #16924880
This is simply not true in my experience (and I own both). After more than 100,000 images out from the 7D, the noise is very poor. Anything over 800 is just simply bad. My two most popular images were both shot (unfortunately) at ISO 800 on my 7D and I'm not comfortable printing them anywhere over 12"x18". This is with thoughtful and deliberate noise reduction in post. My 6D is really clean, I couldn't be happier. No noise reduction is even needed at 100, and ISO 1600 is much cleaner than the 7D at 800. I can't wait to ditch the 7D.

your experience mirrors mine. canon really hosed us when they ditched 1.3 crop.

Reservoir Dog wrote in post #16924890
it's funny, when i see the specs you want for the 7D2 ( mix of 5D3 70D and 1Dx ) wow better to call this mermaid the 2Dx and the price you hope... why you don't ask Canon simply to give it for free ?

dude -- we are in the pre-whine period, and it'll only get worse

ed rader wrote in post #16924895
dude -- we are in the pre-whine period, and it'll only get worse

It depends.. If Canon really pulls of the rumored new Foveon style sensor significantly improving IQ really trying to push the limits, then I see this as a hit. If Canon delivers a minor improvement to the current 7D and that camera fails to bury the Sony and Nikon competitors, Canon is fair game for total ridicule.

Lyle Krannichfeld wrote in post #16924880
This is simply not true in my experience (and I own both). After more than 100,000 images out from the 7D, the noise is very poor. Anything over 800 is just simply bad. My two most popular images were both shot (unfortunately) at ISO 800 on my 7D and I'm not comfortable printing them anywhere over 12"x18". This is with thoughtful and deliberate noise reduction in post. My 6D is really clean, I couldn't be happier. No noise reduction is even needed at 100, and ISO 1600 is much cleaner than the 7D at 800. I can't wait to ditch the 7D.

I guess it depends on the use? I don't mind a little noise with the 7D and sports. If I'm doing portraits I just grab my 6D or don't need that extra reach. As long as there's plenty of light and/or fast lens of course the 7D is more than capable. For sports I'm not looking for the cleanest image either. Most people aren't printing these things larger than 8x10's and if anything only digital downloads from me.

Lyle Krannichfeld wrote in post #16924880
This is simply not true in my experience (and I own both). After more than 100,000 images out from the 7D, the noise is very poor. Anything over 800 is just simply bad. My two most popular images were both shot (unfortunately) at ISO 800 on my 7D and I'm not comfortable printing them anywhere over 12"x18". This is with thoughtful and deliberate noise reduction in post. My 6D is really clean, I couldn't be happier. No noise reduction is even needed at 100, and ISO 1600 is much cleaner than the 7D at 800. I can't wait to ditch the 7D.

ed rader wrote in post #16924892
your experience mirrors mine. canon really hosed us when they ditched 1.3 crop.

My first reaction is that if you think ISO 800 on a crop-body is unacceptable, you are doing something wrong. Lyle, I don't know your work, but I've seen Ed's. If he says ISO 800 is bad, I'll take his word for it. I push my 60D to 3200 regularly, and am happy with my 6D at 25,600, and 102,400 if I can use MSNR. We all have our own limits.

I really don't see the need for the 7D2 to be so amazing that everyone currently shooting with a 7D1 rushes out to replace their current camera(s). Rather I see a 7D2's place as a logical incremental upgrade to the existing aging body. Dump 7D1 stock, replace it with 7D2s, and anyone who would otherwise be upgrading to a 7D instead buys a 7D2, and anyone replacing an abused or worn out 7D then gets a 7D2.

And if they keep the exact same body but change the badge, and keep the grip compatible between the two, then bonus.

ed rader wrote in post #16924869
the ONLY thing that excites me about about this new cropper is rumor has it that the 100-400L II will be announced on the same day, and I shall have that lens

Ahhh...if they only made a black version. I'd be there with you....

Bakewell wrote in post #16924924
Ahhh...if they only made a black version. I'd be there with you....

I can't see the color of the lens with my eye in the viewfinder

ed rader wrote in post #16924971
I can't see the color of the lens with my eye in the viewfinder

but the bad guy standing next to you can...

gjl711 wrote in post #16924905
It depends.. If Canon really pulls of the rumored new Foveon style sensor significantly improving IQ really trying to push the limits, then I see this as a hit. If Canon delivers a minor improvement to the current 7D and that camera fails to bury the Sony and Nikon competitors, Canon is fair game for total ridicule.

what do the sony and Nikon have on the 7d?

Bakewell wrote in post #16924976
but the bad guy standing next to you can...

so you care what someone else sees....or what you think someone else sees? interesting maybe the white lens is why I got this look?

ed rader wrote in post #16924979
what do the sony and Nikon have on the 7d?

Dynamic range, AF points, resolution, no AA filter.

I will admit, I am very picky about noise because I sell large prints as a significant portion of my income. I want to be able to print 18"x24" and up (to 24"x36 on the 7D, 30"x45" out of the 6d). I recently sold an image at that size at ISO 800, and had it shipped to me first instead of directly to the client. I'm glad I did. It looked like hell. I won't shoot my 7D above 800. If it gets darker than that I just put the camera away.

CollegeKid wrote in post #16924919
My first reaction is that if you think ISO 800 on a crop-body is unacceptable, you are doing something wrong. Lyle, I don't know your work, but I've seen Ed's. If he says ISO 800 is bad, I'll take his word for it. I push my 60D to 3200 regularly, and am happy with my 6D at 25,600, and 102,400 if I can use MSNR. We all have our own limits.

+1. As they say though, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Lyle Krannichfeld wrote in post #16925082
I will admit, I am very picky about noise because I sell large prints as a significant portion of my income. I want to be able to print 18"x24" and up (to 24"x36 on the 7D, 30"x45" out of the 6d). I recently sold an image at that size at ISO 800, and had it shipped to me first instead of directly to the client. I'm glad I did. It looked like hell. I won't shoot my 7D above 800. If it gets darker than that I just put the camera away.

I can understand that, but I still feel most people don't mind some noise in their images as long as it's still a great image. I've got shots that I plan on getting print that I know are noisy, but they still look great to my eyes even when magnified. I will say though that shots from my old T2i and M don't look super pleasing beyond ISO1600 unless converted to B&W.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16925341
+1. As they say though, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I can understand that, but I still feel most people don't mind some noise in their images as long as it's still a great image. I've got shots that I plan on getting print that I know are noisy, but they still look great to my eyes even when magnified. I will say though that shots from my old T2i and M don't look super pleasing beyond ISO1600 unless converted to B&W.

I agree but I cant imagine shooting a cropper at iso 3200 and liking what I see whereas with FF i don't mind iso 6400 and beyond. in fact my 5d3 is usually in auto iso because it's just that good in low light.