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POLL: "Would you buy a Canon 7D mark ii?"
Yes! I am excited about this camera!
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No. There is no market for this camera.
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Maybe. Only if it was under $2000 and significantly upgraded over the 7D.
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Maybe. But only if Canon reintroduced the APS-H (1.3x crop) sensor
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I'm happy where I'm at.
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The only way I'd buy another crop camera is through a different manufacturer.
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May 23, 2014 16:10 |  #61

Today's 7d can be a good performer if you can expose the way it likes it. And anyone who doesn't want a bigger badder 7d ?? Well they just can't be saved lol.

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May 23, 2014 16:10 |  #62

CollegeKid wrote in post #16924600 (external link)
Which is exactly what you will get wrt ISO. If you want better high-ISO results, you'll need to either give up some AF ability and get a 6D, or give up some money and get a 5D3. The 7DII, especially with some of the specs listed in this thread, is never going to happen.

I agree with this, I posted months ago there is no wiggle room for Canon with a 7D2. A 7D2 would have to be something special after 4 years, Canon just cant give us what we want without treading on the toes of other models. It's not going to happen..........

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This is simply not true in my experience (and I own both). After more than 100,000 images out from the 7D, the noise is very poor. Anything over 800 is just simply bad. My two most popular images were both shot (unfortunately) at ISO 800 on my 7D and I'm not comfortable printing them anywhere over 12"x18". This is with thoughtful and deliberate noise reduction in post. My 6D is really clean, I couldn't be happier. No noise reduction is even needed at 100, and ISO 1600 is much cleaner than the 7D at 800. I can't wait to ditch the 7D.

I would be VERY interested in seeing one of those shots you're "not comfortable" with, a 100% crop would be very much appreciated just to see what your seeing ? ? ?

For the purpose of this thread I voted the last option. I went the Fuji route, got myself an X Pro1 as I needed something lighter for medical reasons. If Canon had released a 7D2 already I would probably be shooting it right now. As it is, they've missed the boat for me. I will eventually sell off my Canon lens and just keep my 7D and 100-400 for a lightweight birding set up.

A while back I posted about the Fuji being rated as as good as or better than the Canon FF, I had a lukewarm response. The Fuji thread is starting to buzz with some very good photographers dumping their Canon FF's for the Fuji sensor, it really is awesome.


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May 23, 2014 19:16 as a reply to  @ h14nha's post |  #63

I would be VERY interested in seeing one of those shots you're "not comfortable" with, a 100% crop would be very much appreciated just to see what your seeing ? ? ?

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May 24, 2014 17:58 as a reply to  @ post 16924208 |  #64

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yep definitely around the $2K + or - 10 % mark and if it has the same or a better AF system same fps or slightly better and key item is a better iso capability say one or two stops better and so maybe use a 1.5 sensor in it or yep stick to the 1.6 and ok yes it can be played with ETTR and pp to get the iso ok now - but offer better in camera iso and then it would be a real winner for the amateur wildlife / bird shooter - and if it could AF at f8 that would be a real bonus (think tamron 150 - 600 or canon 100 - 400 with 1.4 ext and so on)
cant wait to check it out actually - if it ever happens

cheers rob

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This camera was released in October of 2009. Canon refers to it as the 1D4.

yea "college kid" only costs about $6K nowdays for the new 1dx body and a bout $3K for a 2nd hand 1d4 body with bout 100K exposures on it - still would love to have either in a new one or as new one if your offering ( happy to pay the $ 100 cost of a courier to aus from the usa )- other wise i will hang on and wait for the 7 d mk 11 with better iso capability at about $2K + maybe which hopefully wil be in my budget - if that s ok with you !
cheers rob

ps and from what i can gather you dont even actually have a 7 D ?????


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May 24, 2014 18:15 |  #65

Pondrader wrote in post #16925360 (external link)
Today's 7d can be a good performer if you can expose the way it likes it. And anyone who doesn't want a bigger badder 7d ?? Well they just can't be saved lol.

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that a great photo jeff - i would love to get my strictly amateur work to look that good at 1600 mine is ok but not to that standard - i cant see your setting on it though so can you advise the EXIF settings ( and i assume it was shot with ETTR happening) as always happy to learn from the helpful experts on here - and i do learn so thank you !!
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May 28, 2014 02:58 |  #66

so no further rumours surfacing re the slightly mythical 7 d mk 11 finally appearing ??


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May 31, 2014 06:44 |  #67

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Would you buy a 7D mark ii?


Only if it had a one stop better ISO performance, and a weaker AA filter. Otherwise, my upgrade path will probably be a 6D.




  
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Jun 02, 2014 06:42 |  #68

patrol50 wrote in post #16935198 (external link)
so no further rumours surfacing re the slightly mythical 7 d mk 11 finally appearing ??

Hold on a minite, there will be another rumor




  
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Jun 02, 2014 17:13 as a reply to  @ watt100's post |  #69

I was one of the biggest aniticipators of the 7d mk2, but after some thinking I realized I don't need it.
I have a 60D, and its good enough. I know 7dmk2 will be better, but for amateur work 60D is good enough. I doubt it will be much better.
My next upgrade will be an addition to my 60D rather then its replacement. I would rather add a little bit extra to the asked $2,000 + for the 7D mk2 and get a full frame second camera instead. That way I will have a more complete tools set for picture taking. (Crop fro Wildlife and Full frame for everything else, especially portraits. That said I will probably have both cameras on me most of the time if doing event or portrait shoots for less lens changing)

A 6D + a 60D would make a good combo, but I am going to wait a little bit more and see. maybe they have a new full-frame coming up early next year ...


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Jun 03, 2014 10:50 |  #70

Van Gogh wrote in post #16947289 (external link)
I was one of the biggest aniticipators of the 7d mk2, but after some thinking I realized I don't need it.
I have a 60D, and its good enough. I know 7dmk2 will be better, but for amateur work 60D is good enough. I doubt it will be much better.
My next upgrade will be an addition to my 60D rather then its replacement. I would rather add a little bit extra to the asked $2,000 + for the 7D mk2 and get a full frame second camera instead. That way I will have a more complete tools set for picture taking. (Crop fro Wildlife and Full frame for everything else, especially portraits. That said I will probably have both cameras on me most of the time if doing event or portrait shoots for less lens changing)

A 6D + a 60D would make a good combo, but I am going to wait a little bit more and see. maybe they have a new full-frame coming up early next year ...

The 6D and 5D3 are both getting up their in age and will probably see replacements in the next 2 years. I really hope they increase the feature set some on the 6D, while it's amazing for portraits and low light, the low AF count, low max shutter speed, and low FPS I think really make some people hesitate when comparing a cheaper 70D the 6D as they are taking a step backwards in features to move to FF.

I do understand the problem with making a 6D is that it's suppose to be an entry level into full frame and so cost is a huge burden. Keeping the 6D II + 24-105L under 2500$ is critical to selling them. But there is substantial price room between the 6D and the 5D3, so I could see them coming together some. I don't think the 6D II needs a 51 point AF, but 19 would be nice. And personally, I find the articulating screen very handy a lot of times.

We'll see what canon comes out with on the next FF refresh cycle. If they can make a 6D II, with a next gen sensor (another stop of ISO), 70D feature set (1/8000 shutter, FPS, etc), and retain the -3 EV and keep the body price under 2K I think they'll have a solid winner on their hands.

I don't think they'll have trouble distinguishing a 5DIV if they did that as long it has better weather sealing, higher FPS, better AF, and a dual processor. The 1D? would similarly need even higher of all of that.

Now the question is when is canon going to release a mirrorless FF? I can't imagine one not coming soon with the dual pixel AF, I'm a little surprised they haven't released one already.




  
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Jun 03, 2014 12:10 |  #71

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The 6D and 5D3 are both getting up their in age and will probably see replacements in the next 2 years. I really hope they increase the feature set some on the 6D, while it's amazing for portraits and low light, the low AF count, low max shutter speed, and low FPS I think really make some people hesitate when comparing a cheaper 70D the 6D as they are taking a step backwards in features to move to FF.

I do understand the problem with making a 6D is that it's suppose to be an entry level into full frame and so cost is a huge burden. Keeping the 6D II + 24-105L under 2500$ is critical to selling them. But there is substantial price room between the 6D and the 5D3, so I could see them coming together some. I don't think the 6D II needs a 51 point AF, but 19 would be nice. And personally, I find the articulating screen very handy a lot of times.

We'll see what canon comes out with on the next FF refresh cycle. If they can make a 6D II, with a next gen sensor (another stop of ISO), 70D feature set (1/8000 shutter, FPS, etc), and retain the -3 EV and keep the body price under 2K I think they'll have a solid winner on their hands.

I don't think they'll have trouble distinguishing a 5DIV if they did that as long it has better weather sealing, higher FPS, better AF, and a dual processor. The 1D? would similarly need even higher of all of that.

Now the question is when is canon going to release a mirrorless FF? I can't imagine one not coming soon with the dual pixel AF, I'm a little surprised they haven't released one already.

Yep, I will probably have to delay my upgrade to full-frame until the next-gen Canon full-frames hit the market. Doesn't make sense to me to pay that much for a product thats past at least half of its life cycle.

Meanwhile I will have to be patient and try to get by with my 60D.
I will invest my extra-money and satisfy my crave for new toys/gadgets with L series lenses instead, until the new gen full-frames come out, and who knows, until then I might have enough money to afford 5D4 instead of 6d 2 :cool:


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Jun 03, 2014 12:52 |  #72

Van Gogh wrote in post #16948909 (external link)
Yep, I will probably have to delay my upgrade to full-frame until the next-gen Canon full-frames hit the market. Doesn't make sense to me to pay that much for a product thats past at least half of its life cycle.

Meanwhile I will have to be patient and try to get by with my 60D.
I will invest my extra-money and satisfy my crave for new toys/gadgets with L series lenses instead, until the new gen full-frames come out, and who knows, until then I might have enough money to afford 5D4 instead of 6d 2 :cool:

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Jun 03, 2014 13:33 |  #73

Didn't vote. My choice wasn't among them. With a 40D and a really long in the tooth 20D, it's about time for me to get another camera. APS-C is fine. I have little interest in a larger sensor. I'm one of those who thought the 60D was dumbed down. I don't buy used. My options are self-limited. The 7D has been around for a while. I can wait for the next iteration.


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Jun 03, 2014 14:24 |  #74

joedlh wrote in post #16949092 (external link)
Didn't vote. My choice wasn't among them. With a 40D and a really long in the tooth 20D, it's about time for me to get another camera. APS-C is fine. I have little interest in a larger sensor. I'm one of those who thought the 60D was dumbed down. I don't buy used. My options are self-limited. The 7D has been around for a while. I can wait for the next iteration.

I normally don't respond to these kinds of statements, but the apparent contradictions intrigue me.

Didn't vote. Not your choice.
Time for a new APS-C camera.
Don't buy used.
7D too old.
Wait for next iteration.

The next iteration will be the 7DII. Choice number 3 didn't work for you.
So, what, the 8D? At the current rate of release that'll be about 5 years, if ever.
When you say it's time for new, do you mean within the next decade or so?

Don't mean to pick on you here, but whaa?




  
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Jun 03, 2014 18:03 |  #75

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I normally don't respond to these kinds of statements, but the apparent contradictions intrigue me.

Didn't vote. Not your choice.
Time for a new APS-C camera.
Don't buy used.
7D too old.
Wait for next iteration.

The next iteration will be the 7DII. Choice number 3 didn't work for you.
So, what, the 8D? At the current rate of release that'll be about 5 years, if ever.
When you say it's time for new, do you mean within the next decade or so?

Don't mean to pick on you here, but whaa?

I agree with this statement. Except technically (according to canon) the 8D would be a camera with less features than the 7D. The lower the number the better the camera. Except I don't agree with Canon that the 6D is a better camera than the 7D.


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