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May 27, 2014 07:28 |  #1

I am a bit of a novice with Photoshop (I have Elements 12) and I'm having trouble getting more hair detail out of the boy in the back row on camera right. The top of his head is blended with the door behind him. When I lighten the whole photo I get the detail and separation I want, but when I mask just his head it doesn't look natural.

Is there some trick available to recover the top of his head?

Any other critique of the PP would be appreciated too!

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May 27, 2014 08:23 |  #2

For 5 kids in one shot, it looks pretty good to me. I'd crop some off the top & sides.

but when I mask just his head it doesn't look natural.

You may be obsessing a little too much. I'd use a layer mask to slightly lighten his hair & eyes, & see how it looks in a print.


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May 27, 2014 08:26 |  #3

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When I lighten the whole photo I get the detail and separation I want, but when I mask just his head it doesn't look natural.

Is there some trick available to recover the top of his head?

Be a little more subtle in your edit. get the separation and the mask the way you want it and then turn the opacity of that layer down to about 30%.

Now you know why shots like these often have a rim light shooting down and from slightly behind the subject!

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May 27, 2014 08:38 |  #4

Make a rough selection of the boys head, no need to be too precise, and make a separate layer of just that bit. Adjust the brightness and anything else you want until its as you like it, then carefully erase the bits you want to leave untouched. I'd personally erase any door on the new layer as well as the lads face, leaving just the hair.

When you are happy, simply "flatten" the image back to a single layer.

I use this method a lot. Probably on 50% of my shots.


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May 27, 2014 08:57 as a reply to  @ Lowner's post |  #5

Wow! Thanks for the quick responses everyone. This was the only shot out of 20 or so where all the boys had reasonable poses....even then, I had to paste in a smile from another shot.

I will try the suggestions tonight. Yes, I am a bit obsessive :)




  
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May 27, 2014 11:04 |  #6

Lowner wrote in post #16933230 (external link)
....then carefully erase the bits you want to leave untouched.

Using a mask is much better than using the Eraser tool.


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May 27, 2014 13:05 |  #7

Dennis,

I have to admit I've never used a mask. While using the eraser tool is second nature, and this is a very easy task.


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May 27, 2014 14:30 |  #8

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Dennis,

I have to admit I've never used a mask. While using the eraser tool is second nature, and this is a very easy task.

Richard - you should really look into using masks. They are super simple and offer unlimited "undo" steps by just painting on the mask.


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May 27, 2014 14:46 |  #9

D Thompson wrote in post #16933983 (external link)
Richard - you should really look into using masks. They are super simple and offer unlimited "undo" steps by just painting on the mask.

Yeah...

I'm trying to remember what CS2 offers -- I'm sure it does offer masks, does it also have Adjustment Layers?


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May 27, 2014 15:02 |  #10

I have Photoshop Elements 12 as well, I rarely use it. I highly recommend Lightroom 5. If you buy it as a stand alone product, it runs around $120 dollars. You don't have to worry about layers, you can easily fix any part of the photo that you want. I just started using Lightroom this year, and what an improvement I have seen in my post processing skills.


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May 27, 2014 16:06 as a reply to  @ SJC from VT's post |  #11

the picture has reddish blue color cast , highlights are blown. but in this case it is very easy
to correct them. once you do that picture would pop out . there is no need to brighten the
hairs ,even if you do that it won't make much difference unless you correct the white balance.




  
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May 27, 2014 16:22 |  #12

ACR/LR adjustment brush, +0.5 exposure +25 shadows (ish), a quick run over his hair will make it pop out a bit. A flash behind them would've given separation too.


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May 27, 2014 22:24 |  #13

tonylong wrote in post #16934018 (external link)
Yeah...

I'm trying to remember what CS2 offers -- I'm sure it does offer masks, does it also have Adjustment Layers?

Yes, under the Layer menu.

I have to admit I've never used a mask. While using the eraser tool is second nature, and this is a very easy task.

Three pages on Layer Masks (external link)

Photoshop CS6 Tutorial - Understanding Layer Masks (external link)


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May 27, 2014 22:36 |  #14

It's funny, back before I launched into the "standard" Photoshop (CS2) I was using Elements (version 4). At the time, Elements didn't have layer masks. Layers, yes, but you had to do a "workaround" to get a working "mask". Thanks to Scott Kelby and his book on Elements for walking me through that workaround! I did make the move to CS2, and layer masks was one of several features that got me to make the leap!


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May 30, 2014 00:42 |  #15

Does ACR for Elements 12 have adjustment brushes? That's the easy fix. And it's non-destructive.


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