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Jun 01, 2014 23:19 |  #16

As others have said, this is why I resist cloud computing. I have LR 5 and PS 5.1 as well as some plugins and other software. I have all I need and feel no need for a newer PS version. I will upgrade LR until it goes web only (if it does). Then I will stick with my LR version until something better comes along - as it surely will. There are too many of us who are not willing to submit to Adobe's extortion (probably too strong a word but that's about how it feels).

That's also why my image files remain RAW instead of DNG. I know DNG makes really good sense and is supposed to be "open" format but who knows if it will be supported by whatever editor follows Adobe.


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Jun 01, 2014 23:36 |  #17

:):) Yeah, I think that "extortion" is "too strong a word"! Try calling it it "profit-making at our expense", after all, that's how businesses make profits, "at our expense"!!:):)


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Jun 01, 2014 23:57 |  #18

tonylong wrote in post #16945596 (external link)
:):) Yeah, I think that "extortion" is "too strong a word"! Try calling it it "profit-making at our expense", after all, that's how businesses make profits, "at our expense"!!:):)

I have no problem paying for something when I derive satisfaction or utility from it. What I resent are companies that want lock people in and milk them endlessly without providing anything for it. This is the same reason I finally ditched cable TV. I'm much happier paying for Amazon Prime, Netflix, and the occasional DVD or video on demand.




  
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Jun 02, 2014 00:16 |  #19

mike_d wrote in post #16945625 (external link)
I have no problem paying for something when I derive satisfaction or utility from it. What I resent are companies that want lock people in and milk them endlessly without providing anything for it. This is the same reason I finally ditched cable TV. I'm much happier paying for Amazon Prime, Netflix, and the occasional DVD or video on demand.

Ah, well, if you don't want/need the Adobe product CC services, then it's pretty simple, as in the examples you mentioned, just don't use it:)!


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Jun 02, 2014 07:29 |  #20

tonylong wrote in post #16945596 (external link)
:):) Yeah, I think that "extortion" is "too strong a word"! Try calling it it "profit-making at our expense", after all, that's how businesses make profits, "at our expense"!!:):)

I don't like it either, but one also has to look at it from Adobe's viewpoint. One of the primary reasons for going to the cloud was to stop pirating. Using the the product without paying is in the long run at "my expense."


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Jun 02, 2014 08:09 |  #21

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I don't like it either, but one also has to look at it from Adobe's viewpoint. One of the primary reasons for going to the cloud was to stop pirating. Using the the product without paying is in the long run at "my expense."

IIRC, pirated versions of CC were available within 24 hours of release.


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Jun 02, 2014 08:50 |  #22

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I bought LR5 boxed and have CS5. Now I have to export things to tiff first to open in Photoshop since my 6D isn't recognized in PS's outdated camera Raw...even though it uses the same one as Lightroom? Beats me but unless adobe changes their tune for people whose living isn't made off this stuff, they will have lost me. OnOne needs some work but their editing is not terrible. And for $180 I can make due I think when the time comes.

CS5 is definitely not the same version of ACR as LR5.4 (the latest update for camera support). Every new body uses a different RAW version, so Adobe has to update software to accommodate it. The 6D was released near the end of the CS6 lifespan, so CS5's ACR module would not have been updated to include it - that would only have been done for CS6. In LR5.4 the ACR version is 8.4. What version is the ACR module in your PS?


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Jun 02, 2014 09:21 |  #23

Mine just renewed last month for the same price of 11 a month. The 40 dollar subscription is for the complete suite, not just PS and LR.


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Jun 02, 2014 09:31 |  #24

battletone wrote in post #16944930 (external link)
I bought LR5 boxed and have CS5. Now I have to export things to tiff first to open in Photoshop since my 6D isn't recognized in PS's outdated camera Raw...even though it uses the same one as Lightroom?

the version of ACR in CS5 is not the same version as the one in LR5. the CS5 version predates your 6D so you can't expect it to support a camera that didn't exist. However LR5 does support it so you can edit your RAW files in that just fine and then export to Photoshop if you need to do things that require layers etc.


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Jun 02, 2014 11:27 |  #25

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IIRC, pirated versions of CC were available within 24 hours of release.

Yes, fairly sure they even had a few blog posts about how they didn't expect the new model to have any real impact on 'defeating' piracy rates, and the only real impact the new system might have on it is people who feel the new pricing model was easier/safer than a bootleg copy.

The new model is development and cash flow related only, with nothing to address piracy. There is no support for 'old' versions anymore, no security patches for anything beyond the 'current' product in a given line because that is all there is. Plus the whole "Roll a feature out to users when it is ready" bit, which is far better than having to try and wait for a new 'box version' with dozens of new features hitting the live world at once. It makes testing and work flow so much easier from the stand point of software development.


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Jun 02, 2014 14:26 |  #26

I have things that rattle around in my head, so some fresh thoughts:

When you subscribe to the CC, you are in effect "leasing" the Adobe products. I've never leased a car, but hey, when you do you get to drive a nice brand-spanking new car! Hey, I can appreciate that, since I have rented nice new cars for brief bits of time...:)

But then, when the lease expires, no more car! Dang, my toy and all its cool things, it's gone!

'Course, people lease because they can afford or don't want to buy a new car, so that's part of the understanding, you aren't buying, you won't own this car!

But then, something that is available of interest is the "Lease to Buy" idea, the idea that you can jump into a lease, and then, at whatever extra cost (there of course will be that "extra cost") you can actually buy the thing!

This is not only out there for cars, but also for homes, and then we see the "Rent to Own" stores full of furniture and stuff, I'm sure each "segment" has a different approach as to how the "lease/own" bit gets managed, but the end result is if you are leasing (or renting) some such thing, then at the end of the lease if you are happy with it and can shell out the money, then it's yours to keep!

So, I was pondering this in the context of this discussion: at this point, Adobe has begun to "lease" the software, but what about the idea of them developing a "lease to buy" plan, where once you've done the monthly thing for however long, you could, according to an arrangement with them, "buy out" the lease and in return get the software "permanently".

Of course, though, that would put an end to the ongoing updates...as it has been, once they come out with a new "model", well, you are now driving an old "beater", it's paid for, but...

Well, at any rate, those thoughts were rattling. Maybe those who like the "lease to own" idea could bring it up to Adobe and see if there is something that is possible and feasible, in other words, something that would make you happy but also keep the Adobe profits flowing!:)


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Jun 02, 2014 14:35 |  #27

Boy, there are times I'm glad I'm an amateur. The free cloud storage I get from Google and Microsoft are plenty for my jpeg's ... and free FastStone software also gets the job done for me.


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Jun 02, 2014 14:37 |  #28

tonylong wrote in post #16946913 (external link)
I have things that rattle around in my head, so some fresh thoughts:

When you subscribe to the CC, you are in effect "leasing" the Adobe products. I've never leased a car, but hey, when you do you get to drive a nice brand-spanking new car! Hey, I can appreciate that, since I have rented nice new cars for brief bits of time...:)

But then, when the lease expires, no more car! Dang, my toy and all its cool things, it's gone!

'Course, people lease because they can afford or don't want to buy a new car, so that's part of the understanding, you aren't buying, you won't own this car!

But then, something that is available of interest is the "Lease to Buy" idea, the idea that you can jump into a lease, and then, at whatever extra cost (there of course will be that "extra cost") you can actually buy the thing!

This is not only out there for cars, but also for homes, and then we see the "Rent to Own" stores full of furniture and stuff, I'm sure each "segment" has a different approach as to how the "lease/own" bit gets managed, but the end result is if you are leasing (or renting) some such thing, then at the end of the lease if you are happy with it and can shell out the money, then it's yours to keep!

So, I was pondering this in the context of this discussion: at this point, Adobe has begun to "lease" the software, but what about the idea of them developing a "lease to buy" plan, where once you've done the monthly thing for however long, you could, according to an arrangement with them, "buy out" the lease and in return get the software "permanently".

Of course, though, that would put an end to the ongoing updates...as it has been, once they come out with a new "model", well, you are now driving an old "beater", it's paid for, but...

Well, at any rate, those thoughts were rattling. Maybe those who like the "lease to own" idea could bring it up to Adobe and see if there is something that is possible and feasible, in other words, something that would make you happy but also keep the Adobe profits flowing!:)

That's the last thing Adobe wants. They hate people who skip versions before upgrading. They want you paying and paying and paying. Killing the ability to buy a copy and use it until you're ready to upgrade is what rubs a lot of people the wrong way about CC.




  
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Jun 02, 2014 14:46 |  #29

Preeb wrote in post #16946194 (external link)
CS5 is definitely not the same version of ACR as LR5.4 (the latest update for camera support). Every new body uses a different RAW version, so Adobe has to update software to accommodate it. The 6D was released near the end of the CS6 lifespan, so CS5's ACR module would not have been updated to include it - that would only have been done for CS6. In LR5.4 the ACR version is 8.4. What version is the ACR module in your PS?

I mean ACR is the same thing....so if my lightroom is updated, I see no reason photoshop cannot also derive the same ACR install for use. I am aware the actual ACR is different. It's just another way to force an upgrade.


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Jun 02, 2014 14:54 |  #30

tonylong wrote in post #16946913 (external link)
So, I was pondering this in the context of this discussion: at this point, Adobe has begun to "lease" the software, but what about the idea of them developing a "lease to buy" plan, where once you've done the monthly thing for however long, you could, according to an arrangement with them, "buy out" the lease and in return get the software "permanently".

Tony - I've mentioned this many times here and to Adobe.


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