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Replacing my 55-250mm for outdoor sports without breaking the bank?

 
tapidlittle
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Jun 03, 2014 13:07 |  #1

My 55-250mm doesn't achieve what I want for outdoor sports, my pictures are soft. I was thinking of a used 70-200mm F4 NON IS would that be a nice upgrade? Is 2.8 really needed?

Max budget is 750$. Any lens recommendation would be appreciated.
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Jun 03, 2014 13:11 |  #2

Are you sure it's the lens and not technique? Why don't you post in critique corner some shots that you think are unacceptable? It would be a shame to pay large sums for better glass if the problem is technique. You would end up getting similar results with emptier pockets.


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Jun 03, 2014 13:26 |  #3

you could look at the new 55-250 stm. it is sharp wide open where at the older 55-250 is not. so If you have been shooting wide open you should see a pretty big improvement with the stm and if you have been shooting at f8 (which is what I have to do to get decent shots out of my 55-250) you can double your shutter speed by shooting at 5.6, getting you less motion blur and better background seperation. and only uses a fraction of your budget, as well as you don't lose the 50mm on the long end you would with a 70-200.


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Canon 60d.Canon 18-135, 55-250 II, and 10-18 stm. and Benro C-1681t Travel Angel, with Sirui K20x head.

  
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Jun 03, 2014 13:42 |  #4

or you could get really creative and do something like this (bear with me here lol) you could sell both the 55-250 and t2i for 350-400? just guessing here. and buy this
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_eos_70d_dslr_c​amera.html (external link)

which uses up your 750 buck budget and leves you with 2 standard zoom's and no telephoto (along with a huge paperweight I will get to later). Sell the 18-135 for $300, buy the 55-250 stm (you might even be able to get the 55-250 stm bundled in with the 70d like other packages, but it is not listed here, but would be worth it to call and see), which would give you a much better autofocus system which will help alot with the sports shooting along with a much faster frame rate, and a better lens to shoot with, upgrading both your camera and lens for your original stated budget (with a little work, selling stuff). Now back to that paperweight I was talking about, if you waited until after the rebate ended to sell it you could probibly get 150-100 bucks on your local craigslist for it, bringing your budget up to the 70-200 non is range vs the 55-250 stm (granted there is some debate on a few review sites i have gone to as to if the 70-200 is actually that much better, but that is up to you). Or you could just keep the printer and print off the 20 free pages you get from it and then use it as a stool or something like that lol (or you could just keep using it if you want).

Now I know that seem's like a lot of work but in the end it could get you a new camera and new lens and possibally a printer if you kept it all for your stated budget.


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Canon 60d.Canon 18-135, 55-250 II, and 10-18 stm. and Benro C-1681t Travel Angel, with Sirui K20x head.

  
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Jun 03, 2014 13:44 |  #5

I think you would notice a reasonable difference with just the better autofocus and frame rate of the 70d. and in the end you would have 30 bucks credit at b&h as well:)


http://www.flickr.com/​photos/81190407@N08/ (external link)
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Jun 03, 2014 13:46 |  #6

tapidlittle wrote in post #16949046 (external link)
My 55-250mm doesn't achieve what I want for outdoor sports, my pictures are soft. I was thinking of a used 70-200mm F4 NON IS would that be a nice upgrade? Is 2.8 really needed?

Max budget is 750$. Any lens recommendation would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Can you show us a few examples. That lens can do outdoor sports if handled properly, so maybe we can help figure out the problem.




  
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Jun 03, 2014 13:48 |  #7

ahh crap, I just saw you were in canada, maybe have a friend in the us to do the rebate for you? lol


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Canon 60d.Canon 18-135, 55-250 II, and 10-18 stm. and Benro C-1681t Travel Angel, with Sirui K20x head.

  
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Jun 03, 2014 13:59 |  #8

joedlh wrote in post #16949051 (external link)
Are you sure it's the lens and not technique? Why don't you post in critique corner some shots that you think are unacceptable? It would be a shame to pay large sums for better glass if the problem is technique. You would end up getting similar results with emptier pockets.

I don't think the technique is an issue as I posted last here some pictures and made the proper adjustments on my T2i (spot metering, faster shutter speed above 1/500, AI Servo, etc...)

My pics were a little bit better after the comments I followed here but it's still weak if I compared to my 17-55mm (when I'm very close to the subject).

It's look to me that the 55-250mm doesn't focus fast enough for a moving subject, is this possible?


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Jun 03, 2014 14:09 |  #9

gonzogolf wrote in post #16949118 (external link)
Can you show us a few examples. That lens can do outdoor sports if handled properly, so maybe we can help figure out the problem.

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The second one is not too bad but again there is no sharpness in the faces.

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Jun 03, 2014 14:10 |  #10

mine1 wrote in post #16949115 (external link)
I think you would notice a reasonable difference with just the better autofocus and frame rate of the 70d. and in the end you would have 30 bucks credit at b&h as well:)

Next camera will be the 70d, but not now unfortunately!!! :( $$$


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Jun 03, 2014 14:14 |  #11

tapidlittle wrote in post #16949142 (external link)
I don't think the technique is an issue as I posted last here some pictures and made the proper adjustments on my T2i (spot metering, faster shutter speed above 1/500, AI Servo, etc...)

My pics were a little bit better after the comments I followed here but it's still weak if I compared to my 17-55mm (when I'm very close to the subject).

It's look to me that the 55-250mm doesn't focus fast enough for a moving subject, is this possible?

Spot metering is interesting - I tend to avoid it due to the colors worn, for kids sports mostly stay in evaluative unless I go pure manual.

Yes the 17-55 will generally look better in comparison but they serve two different purposes.

As for speed of focus - I got rid of my original 55-250 because I felt subjectively that it was a slow focuser even in good light. I now have the STM version of the 55-250 and the focus feels snappier and the picture quality is much nicer - IMO.

Question for you - was it overcast and bad light when you were shooting those pictures?


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Jun 03, 2014 14:16 |  #12

yah I don't have the 1500 upfront or I would do exactly what I suggested you do. well little different, I would keep the stm and sell my 18-135 but same idea.


http://www.flickr.com/​photos/81190407@N08/ (external link)
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Jun 03, 2014 14:43 |  #13

werds wrote in post #16949183 (external link)
Spot metering is interesting - I tend to avoid it due to the colors worn, for kids sports mostly stay in evaluative unless I go pure manual.

Yes the 17-55 will generally look better in comparison but they serve two different purposes.

As for speed of focus - I got rid of my original 55-250 because I felt subjectively that it was a slow focuser even in good light. I now have the STM version of the 55-250 and the focus feels snappier and the picture quality is much nicer - IMO.

Question for you - was it overcast and bad light when you were shooting those pictures?

What about the 70-300 USM ?

First pic was overcast second one was not.

Regarding spot metering I was told by people here to use it to 'lock' the focus on the moving subject. I will try evaluative and compare.


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Jun 03, 2014 14:50 |  #14

tapidlittle wrote in post #16949247 (external link)
What about the 70-300 USM ?

First pic was overcast second one was not.

Regarding spot metering I was told by people here to use it to 'lock' the focus on the moving subject. I will try evaluative and compare.

In consistent light you should be using manual so you dont have to worry about metering the shots mid shot. Certainly not using spot metering. I dont know if the metering adds any lag to the t2i by robbing processing power but regardless you dont want spot metering as whatever the spot happens to hit can grossly affect the outcome of the shot.




  
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Jun 03, 2014 14:59 |  #15

Look around and see if you can find a Sigma 100-300mm f/4. It has been discontinued but is a great lens for field sports and is within your budget. Though compared to the 55-250 it's a beast of a lens.

With the t2i you will need to time your shots well, which is a given with sports but with the slow frame rate balls tend to be out of the frame by then.

Here's a couple of sample shots:
https://photography-on-the.net …?p=16311767&pos​tcount=360


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