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My transition from 5 lenses to 3. My zoom vs. prime decisions are over.

 
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Jun 04, 2014 14:43 |  #376

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completely understood. the tamron 17-50 is simply not in the same league as their elite offerings. It's like comparing the nifty fifty to the 50L, just no comparison when it comes to AF. For reference, the 24-70 is about as fast as the 50L (tested using a stopwatch), and the 70-200 is damn close to the 135L and 70-200mk2. the 70-200 tamron is very impressive, I cant really see paying 700-1000 more for the canon version, instead, some of that will be used to fund the 150-600. I can provide boring shots of my kids playing, but you wont see too many of those on my flickr stream.

if you can get over the fact that it doesnt have a red ring, the tamrons are excellent, and their stabilization is top notch. Feels like 3 stops on the 24-70, and 4 stops on the 70-200. @ 200mm it feels like I'm using a 50mm..... just so stable. With the 135, lots of shaking, but amazing images. Not going to sacrifice that lens, love it too much.

I also wont go for F4 lenses either, been shooting F2.8 for too long, and it's painful going back to an F4 lens. Not enough blur and low light abilities.

How have you found their focus accuracy and reliability? I'm sure they've worked pretty well since you're speaking highly of them. Anything you dislike about the lenses?

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dude, it's not that much!
first, use https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1294479
greentoe to buy it.

pay $2130, and then get a $300 rebate. net $1830.
for the performance of the 24-70II, I'd pay list. it's that good.
basically, it is going to make me think about another serious change to my lineup.
at minimum, I could move one of my primes.

what do I love about it?
color contrast sharpness, yea yea yea, you knew that.
did I mention sharp? holy isht it's sharper than you expect.
the separation at 24mm with f2.8 is better than I thought it would be!

these are not epic shots...
I realize that....
overexposed, at least on my monitor where I am now...
calibrated monitor at home, they look true.

just showing you that you don't always need/want 1.2 or 1.4, especially during the day, obviously!
you can make great photos with f2.8.
this was shot at 41mm
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this was shot at 24mm
blurred this girls sister out, at 24mm.
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Nice shots! I saw them on your Instagram. My user name is JZPhotography on there. ;)

The reason why I was looking at a prime is because I want to take a lot of portraits and candids of my older relatives in Lebanon. There will be plenty of times where I'll be indoors and have so-so lighting. That's where the 1.4 of a prime would come into play with my 5D3's high ISO abilities.

Do you think the 24-70L II can handle low light and produce nice images indoors without a flash? Any experience? I'll have to go through the lens sample thread and check the samples out.

Another option which is kind of a DUH moment is simply renting the 135L or 200LII for my vacation. It will allow me to use one of these bad boys and see how I like it. And it'll be vastly cheaper than buying one outright.

If I can't get my 16-35 4L IS at the beginning of the week starting 6/23, than I will probably purchase a 17-40L, use it for the vacation and then offload and pick up the 16-35 when I return.

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Jun 04, 2014 17:22 |  #377

MJ23FE wrote in post #16951619 (external link)
How have you found their focus accuracy and reliability? I'm sure they've worked pretty well since you're speaking highly of them. Anything you dislike about the lenses?

Do you think the 24-70L II can handle low light and produce nice images indoors without a flash? Any experience? I'll have to go through the lens sample thread and check the samples out.

-Jalal

I am happy with their accuracy and reliability. Having owned the 24-70mk1, I find the tamron equivalent nearly as fast and just as accurate. Same can be said comparing the 70-200mk2 and tamron equivalent. Both are very sharp lenses.

However, if the red ring gives you comfort, then go that route. Many folks have problems adapting to third party lenses, I'm not one of them as I have experience with many lenses first and third party.

as for low light ability, it really depends on your tolerances. Most of my lowlight shots only get printed to 4x6, and if lucky, 8x10 (but I usually plan out larger prints). The 24-70VC is very versatile and here are some handheld shots with regards to low light:

F3.2, 1/4, ISO6400

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F5, 1/2, ISO6400
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F2.8, 1/80, ISO6400
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IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/iLAa​mR  (external link) Am I scary? (external link) by charlie617 (external link), on Flickr

F2.8, 1/40, ISO25600
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IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/nxM1​ht  (external link) biggest to smallest (external link) by charlie617 (external link), on Flickr

Some of the shots would be better with a fast 1.2/1.4 prime, some the zoom is better due to VC.

it's pretty good for landscapes too, sharp corner to corner:
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IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/nFUs​Mx  (external link) Griffith Observatory - Starry night (external link) by charlie617 (external link), on Flickr

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IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/nDn8​pc  (external link) Early morning under the Manhattan beach pier (external link) by charlie617 (external link), on Flickr

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IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/nbE3​Fy  (external link) Sun rays through the pier (external link) by charlie617 (external link), on Flickr

I am of the opinion that some of the third party lenses are absolutely top shelf items. I can say that my images will be no different had I used a lens 1K more in price.... however, that does not apply to all lenses.

Sony A7riii/A9 - FE 12-24/4 - FE 24-240 - SY 24/2.8 - FE 28/2 - FE 35/2.8 - FE 50/1.8 - FE 85/1.8 - EF 135/1.8 Art - F 600/5.6 - CZ 100-300 - Astro Rok 14/2.8 - Tamron 17-28/2.8 - 28-75/2.8 RXD, 70-200/2.8 VC

  
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Jun 06, 2014 10:45 as a reply to  @ Charlie's post |  #378

I'm crazy!

Trading my 85L II!
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1381735

Going back to this setup:

16-35Lii real estate and cars
24-70Lii for portrait and event
50L low light, and portrait
135L long portrait and sport


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Jun 06, 2014 10:49 |  #379

Dj R wrote in post #16955578 (external link)
I'm crazy!

Trading my 85L II!
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1381735

Going back to this setup:

16-35Lii real estate and cars
24-70Lii for portrait and event
50L low light, and portrait
135L long portrait and sport

by any chance, have you used a 70-200mk2? Humongous lens, but pretty damn awesome. aside from the 200-400, the best zoom ever made.


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Jun 06, 2014 10:52 |  #380

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by any chance, have you used a 70-200mk2? Humongous lens, but pretty damn awesome. aside from the 200-400, the best zoom ever made.

never tried the 200-400, I need to check that out - just for ghits and shiggles.

70-200Lmk2 IS? I am cps and had it on loan from canon for a week. It's so incredible. But it's so big, heavy, and WHITE!
I'm racist, I must have black lenses. Call me nuts.
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Jun 06, 2014 11:51 |  #381

Dj R wrote in post #16955578 (external link)
I'm crazy!

Trading my 85L II!
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1381735

Going back to this setup:

16-35Lii real estate and cars
24-70Lii for portrait and event
50L low light, and portrait
135L long portrait and sport

Nooo not the 85LII :p I hope this kit will suit you for a while again.

You do have some overlap in your lenses right now! 24-35 and 50.

I would like to have a nice 3 or 4 lens line up without an overlap. It just feels better to have 4 lenses with all a different length/need.

17 | 24-70| 85 | 135
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Jun 06, 2014 12:02 as a reply to  @ Bonbridge's post |  #382

Bonbridge I hear you on the overlap
but they truly have their own purpose
and their purpose is - what I need them for and will use them for.
that's my key.
it may not be right, but it's my current theory.
you know how long that lasts, for me. about 6 months. maybe. haha.

I only need one low light lens, either 35 or 50L would work well here.
I only need one lens for my modest real estate work, 16-35Lii, not enough $ in my houses for a TS lens.
event 24-70L
sport 135L
and my portrait business will be fine with the 24-70 50L 135L


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Jun 06, 2014 13:00 |  #383

I think you need to go back to 5 lenses :-}


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Jun 06, 2014 13:41 |  #384

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I think you need to go back to 5 lenses :-}

I'm there. Too heavy! Too much coin!


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Jun 06, 2014 14:31 |  #385

FWIW I think thats a great kit, The 135 is awesome. I would like to try out the 24-70 2.8 but I really love 24/50/135 and I can't justify having an expensive zoom in the same range not to mention the larger filters.


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Jun 06, 2014 16:08 |  #386

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Bonbridge I hear you on the overlap
but they truly have their own purpose
and their purpose is - what I need them for and will use them for.
that's my key.
it may not be right, but it's my current theory.
you know how long that lasts, for me. about 6 months. maybe. haha.

I only need one low light lens, either 35 or 50L would work well here.
I only need one lens for my modest real estate work, 16-35Lii, not enough $ in my houses for a TS lens.
event 24-70L
sport 135L
and my portrait business will be fine with the 24-70 50L 135L

I understand you need for zooms again. :( Though I don't agree with your decisions to sell off your primes.

You seem quick to forget.

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the 85L is my money maker and that is prbly true for most of the people who have dropped 2k on 1 lens. sure it's expensive, and you could live without it. but it's worth it. it's that special.


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Jun 06, 2014 16:41 |  #387

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I understand you need for zooms again. :( Though I don't agree with your decisions to sell off your primes.

You seem quick to forget.

not selling off all.
I'll still have the two best bang for the buck L primes. 50L 135L.
hey,
it's a good point, regarding me and my actions/thoughts.

haha you quoted me.... I was really scared as I began to read it, thanks.
but I had a loophole in there...
to quote myself, "the 85L is my money maker and that is prbly true for most of the people who have dropped 2k on 1 lens. sure it's expensive, and you could live without it. but it's worth it. it's that special."

I decided that I want to prove that can live without it.
so I did three gigs in a row, and left it at home.
the quality of the images produced with the 24-70II, combined with the ability to shoot 24 and 70mm, with one body, have lead me to revise my kit.
before the II, with the I, the AF wasn't AS good, it was also heavier and bigger.

I can't justify having both lenses.... 85L and 24-70, $4,100 basically, wrapped up in two lenses.
we shall see, haha!
the beauty of my local trade scenario is that it'll give me a bit more time to confirm this is the right decision.
also, I can put the 135L on my camera and "make sure"....
time will tell..... not only short term, but long term...


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Jun 06, 2014 17:00 |  #388

***"Placeholder for the I told you so..."*** in 2 months when you rebuy the 85L II :D

I totally understand wrapping up $4,200 in a couple lenses seems crazy and that extra cash is great.
But of all the L lenses, the 135L used for about $800 seems the 2nd most affordable. (24-105 the most)
Just buy one used and try it. Leave the rest of your gear alone. It has been changed and abused enough :rolleyes:
Ideally have a safe full of Canon lenses a home, and take the one you need that day. :D
See what you use for a month and sell one. Not real reason to give up that 200mm reach for 135mm.
As a fan of expensive lenses, I would be the last person to be the voice of reason. I say buy them all and enjoy them.


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Jun 06, 2014 17:09 |  #389

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***"Placeholder for the I told you so..."*** in 2 months when you rebuy the 85L II :D

I totally understand wrapping up $4,200 in a couple lenses seems crazy and that extra cash is great.
But of all the L lenses, the 135L used for about $800 seems the 2nd most affordable. (24-105 the most)
Just buy one used and try it. Leave the rest of your gear alone.
Ideally have a gun safe full of Canon lenses a home, and take the one you need that day. :D
See what you use for a month and sell one. Not real reason to give up that 200mm reach for 135mm.
As a fan of expensive lenses, I would be the last person to be the voice of reason. I say buy them all and enjoy them.

I would imagine that 200mm reach kinda hard to use, and pretty specialized for smaller field sports. Anyhow, I'm building a pretty stout kit right now, and probably overgeared ;)

3 primes, 4 zooms...... range from 14-600 with only 1mm gap....


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Jun 06, 2014 17:10 |  #390

Alright fine I'll keep it. Just kidding.


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