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Jun 07, 2014 11:30 |  #31

I'm also trying to decide between the two. I have used a T1i, 50D, 60D, 70D and 5Dc. For my needs, the 6D seems to suit me, however I also want something I can grow into over the years without having to purchase another body. I already have the glass, and I will be keeping my 70D as a second body. I think the biggest difference seems to be the AF system. Money isn't that much of an issue, and like I said, for what I shoot the 6D would be adequate. The 6D seems to share a lot of the same layout of the 60 and 70D, so is there going to be a steep learning curve to the 5D mk iii?



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Jun 07, 2014 14:11 |  #32

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The 6D seems to share a lot of the same layout of the 60 and 70D, so is there going to be a steep learning curve to the 5D mk iii?

You said you've held a 5DC, 50D. How did they feel to you? The 50D shared the same interface as the 5D, then Canon decided to change some things and put more functions in the menu. If you're used to that interface, then it might take you a bit to get used to the dual function buttons the 5DmkIII has....but once you get the hang of it, I think it is faster and easier to set functions. I quickly got used to the 5DmkIII interface, and really like it's customization. As well as dual function buttons, you get a multifunction button near the shutter release, as well as an easier to find DOF preview. The other main difference is that there's a joystick that's further up then the joypad found on the 70D. This could be more of a preference then anything else, but I find I can quickly assign an AF point with the joystick and change AF modes with the multi.Fn.button (there's different ways you can customize most all buttons). Then also the 5DIII body is heavier and bigger (so you may find it too big, or you may like the size for keeping steady).

I guess if you're still undecided, you could try renting or borrowing a 5DmkIII to really gauge your preference of interface. I suppose that since the 6D has a more similar interface to the 70D, there won't be much of a learning curve.

Here's a pretty good review of the 6D vs 5DmkIII:
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Jun 07, 2014 15:01 |  #33

jay125 wrote in post #16957464 (external link)
I'm also trying to decide between the two. I have used a T1i, 50D, 60D, 70D and 5Dc. For my needs, the 6D seems to suit me, however I also want something I can grow into over the years without having to purchase another body. I already have the glass, and I will be keeping my 70D as a second body. I think the biggest difference seems to be the AF system. Money isn't that much of an issue, and like I said, for what I shoot the 6D would be adequate. The 6D seems to share a lot of the same layout of the 60 and 70D, so is there going to be a steep learning curve to the 5D mk iii?

I would recommend the 5D III if you want a body you can grow into, I'm not gonna get into the semantics of which model has a better focusing system, which model has better ISO performance. You have to be the judge of what u want to grow into.


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Jun 07, 2014 18:08 |  #34

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So who cares?? All your examples are too much noise to be usable IMO. I suspect that if someone is a pixel peeper, the 6D has slightly better ISO at those insane levels. But then if ISO is everything to you, you should jump ship and get Nikon: not the 6D or 5DIII.

The 6D out performs the D800 and D610 for high ISO however...


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Jun 07, 2014 18:55 |  #35

Mornnb wrote in post #16958014 (external link)
The 6D out performs the D800 and D610 for high ISO however...


INTERESTING!

Do you have a link or something to verify this?
I'd like to check it out...

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Jun 07, 2014 19:03 |  #36

Mornnb wrote in post #16958014 (external link)
The 6D out performs the D800 and D610 for high ISO however...

I think he was referring to the D4S and Df, but even those aren't much ahead of the 6D from what I've seen/read, plus they cost a good bit more, especially the D4S.


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Jun 07, 2014 19:08 |  #37

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INTERESTING!

Do you have a link or something to verify this?
I'd like to check it out...

Thanks!;)

Just the example from Dpreview. And note Nikon's best performing camera for high ISO is the DF, which just edges slightly ahead of the 6D.

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Jun 07, 2014 19:20 |  #38

davesrose wrote in post #16957283 (external link)
So who cares?? All your examples are too much noise to be usable IMO. I suspect that if someone is a pixel peeper, the 6D has slightly better ISO at those insane levels.

These are 100% crops, at typical viewing sizes you can get very usable images out of these full frame bodies at ISO 12800. Even ISO 25600 given noise processing.
ISO 25600 on digital bodies, does about as well as ISO 800 film. The technology we have today is amazing.


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Jun 07, 2014 19:22 |  #39

Mornnb wrote in post #16958102 (external link)
These are 100% crops, at typical viewing sizes you can get very usable images out of these full frame bodies at ISO 12800. Even ISO 25600 given noise processing.
ISO 25600 on digital bodies, does about as well as ISO 800 film. The technology we have today is amazing.

Agreed. I don't hesitate at all to shoot at and above ISO12800 with my 6D and 6400 with my X-E1.


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Jun 07, 2014 19:45 |  #40

davesrose wrote in post #16957283 (external link)
So who cares?? All your examples are too much noise to be usable IMO. I suspect that if someone is a pixel peeper, the 6D has slightly better ISO at those insane levels. But then if ISO is everything to you, you should jump ship and get Nikon: not the 6D or 5DIII. I also suspect that in most situations, the IQ of the 5DmkIII and 6D would be on par with one another. The 6D has slightly newer sensor technology and has slightly larger photosites (due to the 2MP loss). I would think the slight IQ differences would also level out after post (if you sample the 5D's resolution down to 6D and apply unsharp mask).

When upgrading my FF, I didn't spend much time deciding. The 5D/6D has always been a great portrait camera. It's usable with action, but I did find occasions where I would have liked a more robust AF. There really was no other option for me, and I'm very impressed with the viewfinder/AF/speed of the 5DIII. Of course it also comes at a price. The 6D is better value (gives you pretty much the same IQ), and certainly seems like a good intro FF camera.

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I wouldn't dream of shooting at ISO 12,800 let alone above. The image quality just is horrible in my opinion on any camera.
6,400 is just about useable and for me its time to get the old flash out. Appreciate some of you have more demanding shot you need to take, but I am just not into that kind of resolution.

All ai can say is its really nice have all those AF points on the 5D3, and to me I really appreciate being to trust them.
Focusing and recomposing can have its downside at say F2.8.

Please dont get me wrong I think the 6D is terrific value for money, but its not in the same league in real world usage for my kind of stuff.
Not being a 5D3 fanboy either.
I am disappointed it doesnt have spot metering on any selected AF point. Yes I can work around it with the AE lock star button but its a pain. And I think it should have the dual pixel thing for automatic autofocusing in Video ... For the retail price.


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Jun 07, 2014 19:46 |  #41

Mornnb wrote in post #16958102 (external link)
These are 100% crops, at typical viewing sizes you can get very usable images out of these full frame bodies at ISO 12800. Even ISO 25600 given noise processing.
ISO 25600 on digital bodies, does about as well as ISO 800 film. The technology we have today is amazing.

You're missing my point: resized 1:1, the difference in noise between the 5DmkIII and 6D is negligible....add post processing, and are imperceptible. I agree that DSLR ISO is better then film, and with the right conditions you might get usable results from 12800 (25600, no way). If you don't have enough contrast or resolution, though, NR just creates a blur.

Reviews I've seen from photographers have noted better high ISO performance out of the Nikon FF with noise reduction....that the Canons leave more noise and don't sharpen edges. Also, if you consider the D800, the higher MPs give you more room to resize and try reducing noise. If you want to exhaust the possibilities and pixel peep what ifs (no NR or NR, exact lighting conditions with random scenes, etc etc)...well be my guest. I'd rather be more productive and work on picture taking.

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Jun 07, 2014 20:03 |  #42

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lol...I'm begining to feel similarly Submariner:)

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I am disappointed it doesnt have spot metering on any selected AF point. Yes I can work around it with the AE lock star button but its a pain. And I think it should have the dual pixel thing for automatic autofocusing in Video ... For the retail price.

Certainly the next version of the 5D will have the dual pixel live view AF: that's Canon's latest technology and will continue to keep them the dominate HDSLR brand. I used to do more spot metering with my 5DC. With the extra dynamic range, and occasionally AE lock, I find I don't change metering modes much (have been impressed that I have yet to get burn outs with high back lighting). With the custom controls of the 5DmkIII, I do find it very fast to cycle through AF modes and points. That would be an interesting feature to have for metering. Maybe it's not possible since the AF points are separate from the metering system...but that would be a neat feature.


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Jun 07, 2014 20:24 |  #43

davesrose wrote in post #16957283 (external link)
So who cares?? All your examples are too much noise to be usable IMO. I suspect that if someone is a pixel peeper, the 6D has slightly better ISO at those insane levels. But then if ISO is everything to you, you should jump ship and get Nikon: not the 6D or 5DIII. I also suspect that in most situations, the IQ of the 5DmkIII and 6D would be on par with one another. The 6D has slightly newer sensor technology and has slightly larger photosites (due to the 2MP loss). I would think the slight IQ differences would also level out after post (if you sample the 5D's resolution down to 6D and apply unsharp mask).

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I do, and so do many others. We were having a very nice discussion about the ISO differences between the cameras, and I added input. I can easily make 12800 work, and even 25600, I have several years experience working out the settings in camera and post processing actions that I run in bulk to clean up files. I don't spend any time working on individual files either.

It's good you don't care about those high ISO levels, you must not be shooting anything very challenging in low light where you need shutter speeds over 1/1000th, or you have long very fast primes. Consider yourself lucky! :)

I have to shoot at 12800 all the time... :(

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Jun 07, 2014 20:52 |  #44

I shot this live music gig at ISO 25600 on the 6D. It was extremely dimly lit, which is quite normal for live music. Usable image quality? I think so.

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You're missing my point: resized 1:1, the difference in noise between the 5DmkIII and 6D is negligible....add post processing, and are imperceptible. I agree that DSLR ISO is better then film, and with the right conditions you might get usable results from 12800 (25600, no way).

In my experience the difference between the bodies depending on situation is about a 1/3 to 1/2 of a stop. This is enough to be noticeable with a picky eye in some situations.


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Jun 07, 2014 20:54 |  #45

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I do, and so do many others. We were having a very nice discussion about the ISO differences between the cameras, and I added input. I can easily make 12800 work, and even 25600, I have several years experience working out the settings in camera and post processing actions that I run in bulk to clean up files. I don't spend any time working on individual files either.

Looking at all the posted samples on this thread, the "discussion" between you and Mornnb seems to be which noisy picture looks best. Not actual IQ/feature comparisons of the 6D vs 5DmkIII. I consider my lighting conditions and try to compensate enough to not rely on extreme ISOs or post processing (I can't say I've ever tried pushing ISO to 12800 on a shoot).

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16958201 (external link)
It's good you don't care about those high ISO levels, you must not be shooting anything very challenging in low light where you need shutter speeds over 1/1000th, or you have long very fast primes. Consider yourself lucky! :)

The lowest light I've shot so far is auditoriums and single low light indoors. I have found I get enough speed and DOF using a fast lens, and vary rarely need to go past 1600 (I think the furthest I've comfortably gone to on a shoot is 3200).


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