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Jun 08, 2014 06:34 |  #61

Shoot with the 85L on a nice sunny day trying to get the best DOF for your kids playing in a playground and you will quickly miss 1/8000th. Shooting with the very fast primes at ISO 100 isn't very fun at 1/4000th. Of course you can buy ND filters to restrict the light, but that is going to add costs to the overall package, especially if your primes have different filter sizes. Just bringing this up because 1/8000 is a situational thing that may not be important to one person, but very important to another.


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Jun 08, 2014 07:15 |  #62

1/3 to 1/2 stop in high ISO noise is negligible, IMO. It really comes down to whether or not you find value in the 5DIII's AF system or not....if you do need it, its a matter of being able to capture a shot or not, whereas the difference in noise handling between the two cameras serve only to fuel a pissing contest on an internet forum.

I shoot weddings, and while the advanced AF tracking is useful only a handful of times, when I do need it, it's a god-send for capturing specific moments reliably. (i.e. dance routines). The AF system is also really handy for photographing my two hyper-active boys....one of which has started to play sports (I've been named his team's photog)

Also the lack of cross-type points on the outer points really is a deal killer to me. I shot with a 5DII for years, and there was nothing more frustrating than missing a shot because an outer AF point would't lock. You can always lean on the center point if you care nothing about the rule of thirds. No excuse for the 6D not to have more cross-type points, when the rebel released in the same year has cross-type points across the frame.

The 6D is a more specialized camera. The value of the 5DIII is its ability to shoot just about anything reliably. The one area where I'd say the 5DIII is lacking in a meaningful way is in low ISO dynamic range for landscapes and outdoor portraits with natural light (in which my a7r has a pretty big advantage), but thats an area where the 6D is lacking as well.


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Jun 08, 2014 07:50 |  #63

Mornnb wrote in post #16958606 (external link)
What's wrong with AF confirm? Wait till the green dot lights up.

I have found the focus assist works well, but I was bringing up situations in which it isn't there.


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Jun 08, 2014 08:52 |  #64

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Shoot with the 85L on a nice sunny day trying to get the best DOF for your kids playing in a playground and you will quickly miss 1/8000th. Shooting with the very fast primes at ISO 100 isn't very fun at 1/4000th. Of course you can buy ND filters to restrict the light, but that is going to add costs to the overall package, especially if your primes have different filter sizes. Just bringing this up because 1/8000 is a situational thing that may not be important to one person, but very important to another.

You're probably going to need an ND regardless. Even on my 5d, if I'm shooting 1.2, I can still blow out @ 1/8000, and definitely use an ND.


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Jun 08, 2014 10:42 |  #65

The 5DIII has 1/8000 and ISO50


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Jun 08, 2014 10:50 |  #66

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1/3 to 1/2 stop in high ISO noise is negligible, IMO. It really comes down to whether or not you find value in the 5DIII's AF system or not....if you do need it, its a matter of being able to capture a shot or not, whereas the difference in noise handling between the two cameras serve only to fuel a pissing contest on an internet forum.

The high ISO difference may be slim, but it's still useful. And high ISO is the not the only way the 6D and 5D3 sensors differ, the 6D does better in pulling up shadow details and highlights.

I shoot weddings, and while the advanced AF tracking is useful only a handful of times, when I do need it, it's a god-send for capturing specific moments reliably. (i.e. dance routines). The AF system is also really handy for photographing my two hyper-active boys....one of which has started to play sports (I've been named his team's photog)

Even in non-demanding one shot situations I find the 5D3 to have far fewer focus misses than the 6D. The 5D's AF points are better than the 6D's centre point. The reason for this is likely that the 5D3 has a row of double cross type sensors in the centre, with diagonal and vertical/horizontal lines. Not merely cross types, but double cross types! The 5D3's AF system is so reliable that you can trust the camera to always get it right, which is completely different to the 'trust but verify' attitude I have when shooting the 6D.

However. As fantastic as the 5D3's Af system is, I feel it's utility is usually overstated. I've never run into a situation I couldn't shoot with the 6D's AF system. It is good enough, it gets the job done and leaves you with the shots you needed.
IMHO, if someone is budget limited one is much better off to get a 6D and use the extra to get a better lens, like a 24-70mm II. The 5D3 as I see it is more of a luxury body, the 6D can do almost everything it can for half the price. But the 5D3 is sure worth it if you have the money.


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Jun 08, 2014 11:43 |  #67

Mornnb wrote in post #16958613 (external link)
There you go the difference gets more obvious at 12800 and 25600.

The lightness of the 6D is more than slight. Put it this way, a 6D with a 24-70mm II 2.8 is lighter than a 5D3 with a 24-105mm.

I agree than 1/8000 and the joystick aren't particularly important. Who needs a joystick when you only have a handful of AF points.
But the LCD of the 5D3 is quite a big advantage, it has more accurate colours and better contrast which is more important than the size. It gives you a better idea of the final product.
The 5D3 has a couple of other minor but useful advantages over the 6D:
In view finder level meter, which also shows both the horizon and vertical, the 6D's only shows the horizon. This is quite a big deal for landscape and architecture shooting with tilt shifts.
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We're on the same page more than you can imagine :lol:

I said slight to keep a flame war down... I shot both my 6D and my friend's 5D3 side by side last weekend and the weight difference was obvious. I also agree that the LCD on the 5D3 is better for sure and can certainly be a big advantage, however, I did notice that many of the shots I got from the 5D3 last weekend were underexposed by more than a stop, the only reason I could think this happened (I'm a chimper) is that his auto brightness LCD (which I often wish my 6D had) was over-brightening the LCD for the ambient light making me think the exposure was better than it was... alas, it's my fault for not using the histogram. I will say the LCD does seem more accurate for colors and contrast on the 5D though, I'm glad that's not just in my head! :lol:

I hear people complain a lot about the DOF preview button, I've never had an issue with mine, granted, I don't use it very often since most of my lenses (in fact, all of them now) are manual aperture anyway.

The dual card slots are nice, but not necessary unless you're doing critical work like weddings, even then, not that huge of a deal IMO, SD cards are very reliable and you should be replacing them ever 4-5 years anyway to prevent failure.

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You're probably going to need an ND regardless. Even on my 5d, if I'm shooting 1.2, I can still blow out @ 1/8000, and definitely use an ND.

Exactly this. Whenever I hit the ceiling on my 6D it's been in lighting where I have to stop the lens down by 2 stops to make it work, ND would be needed either way.

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The 5DIII has 1/8000 and ISO50

And the 6D has 1/4000 and ISO50... so a 1 stop difference ;)

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The high ISO difference may be slim, but it's still useful. And high ISO is the not the only way the 6D and 5D3 sensors differ, the 6D does better in pulling up shadow details and highlights.

Even in non-demanding one shot situations I find the 5D3 to have far fewer focus misses than the 6D. The 5D's AF points are better than the 6D's centre point. The reason for this is likely that the 5D3 has a row of double cross type sensors in the centre, with diagonal and vertical/horizontal lines. Not merely cross types, but double cross types! The 5D3's AF system is so reliable that you can trust the camera to always get it right, which is completely different to the 'trust but verify' attitude I have when shooting the 6D.

However. As fantastic as the 5D3's Af system is, I feel it's utility is usually overstated. I've never run into a situation I couldn't shoot with the 6D's AF system. It is good enough, it gets the job done and leaves you with the shots you needed.
IMHO, if someone is budget limited one is much better off to get a 6D and use the extra to get a better lens, like a 24-70mm II. The 5D3 as I see it is more of a luxury body, the 6D can do almost everything it can for half the price. But the 5D3 is sure worth it if you have the money.

^Again, I agree! The 5D's AF system is definitely fantastic, I'll never deny it, it's an amazing camera for action and just about everything else, but to say that the 6D's AF system is worthless is just a flat out lie.


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Jun 08, 2014 13:55 |  #68

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You're probably going to need an ND regardless. Even on my 5d, if I'm shooting 1.2, I can still blow out @ 1/8000, and definitely use an ND.

Depends on what scene you are shooting I guess. At midday sun at f1.2 on the 85L, 1/8000th was just sufficient, no blown highlights but a bit close.


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Jun 08, 2014 14:16 |  #69

One thing not mentioned yet is for anyone that needs to shoot with more than one body, in my case one crop one FF.
Obviously the controls of the 5DIII will much better work alongside a 7D, while a 6D will be a better companion to a 60D / 70D.
I will use a 7D as second body and the AF and controls are so much like the 5D3 my choice was obvious.




  
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Jun 08, 2014 14:36 |  #70

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The high ISO difference may be slim, but it's still useful. And high ISO is the not the only way the 6D and 5D3 sensors differ, the 6D does better in pulling up shadow details and highlights.

Granted the materiality of the improvement is relative, but it's not a very material difference in real world use (outside of 100% crops in poor light) for me. If you want to talk about an improvement in banding at high ISO, ability to pull shadows and highlights, and dynamic range overall...shoot something with an Exmor sensor, where you're looking at a 2+ stop improvement over the 5DIII vs a 1/3 stop improvement. That's what I'd consider a material improvement

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As fantastic as the 5D3's Af system is, I feel it's utility is usually overstated. I've never run into a situation I couldn't shoot with the 6D's AF system. It is good enough, it gets the job done and leaves you with the shots you needed.
IMHO, if someone is budget limited one is much better off to get a 6D and use the extra to get a better lens, like a 24-70mm II. The 5D3 as I see it is more of a luxury body, the 6D can do almost everything it can for half the price. But the 5D3 is sure worth it if you have the money.

Just like anything else, it depends on what your needs are. If what you shoot creates even an occasional need for the 5DIII AF system (for the AF tracking and/or cross-type points) and burst speed, then there's a tremendous a mount of value in the 5DIII. If not, then the 6D really is good enough and offers a lot for the money.

I shoot all sorts of stuff, so having a camera I know that can get the job done no matter what I throw at it goes a long way.

i.e. shooting stuff like this is a roll of the dice on the 6D, where as it can be captured reliably on the 5DIII:

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Jun 08, 2014 15:20 |  #71

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Shoot with the 85L on a nice sunny day trying to get the best DOF for your kids playing in a playground ...Of course you can buy ND filters to restrict the light, but that is going to add costs to the overall package....

That is a bit of a specious argument, don't you think? I think the difference between the 5d3 and 6d is more than the cost of an ND filter. I agree it is far more convenient to up the shutter speed and drop ISO to 50, but that IMHO that isn't a good enough reason to get the 5d3 over the 6d. There are good reasons to go 5d3, but max shutter speed isn't at the top of the list IMHO


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Jun 08, 2014 15:45 |  #72

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That is a bit of a specious argument, don't you think? I think the difference between the 5d3 and 6d is more than the cost of an ND filter. I agree it is far more convenient to up the shutter speed and drop ISO to 50, but that IMHO that isn't a good enough reason to get the 5d3 over the 6d. There are good reasons to go 5d3, but max shutter speed isn't at the top of the list IMHO

I was only discussing the 1/4000 vs 1/8000 restriction and its value (per the comment below), not as a deciding factor between one camera and another. Also, there is really no ISO 50 as a native ISO, it is a camera hack, and the 5D3 also does ISO 50, so that isn't really a differentiator in itself. Each and every difference between the 5D3 and 6D comes at a different value for each person, and the one stop less shutter speed for some might be very important, and the only way to get that 1 stop back on a 6D is to use ND or CPL filters.

I wasn't making an argument either way, but rather making a point. Just like the joystick, some find it much more usable over the dial. Others don't care. Those with poor eyesight like the larger LCDs, others don't find that all that valuable. Ditto about 1/4000 vs 1/8000... ;)

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IMO the other differences aren't even worth bringing up (joystick, LCD size, 1/8000s shutter, etc... all of those are negligible differences, again IMO).

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I agree than 1/8000 and the joystick aren't particularly important.


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Jun 09, 2014 00:00 |  #73

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Just like anything else, it depends on what your needs are. If what you shoot creates even an occasional need for the 5DIII AF system (for the AF tracking and/or cross-type points) and burst speed, then there's a tremendous a mount of value in the 5DIII. If not, then the 6D really is good enough and offers a lot for the money.

I shoot all sorts of stuff, so having a camera I know that can get the job done no matter what I throw at it goes a long way.

i.e. shooting stuff like this is a roll of the dice on the 6D, where as it can be captured reliably on the 5DIII:

I shoot a variety of stuff too, often rugby. Such sports is quite doable on the 6D. You will get more focus misses, but IMHO the bigger issue is the slow frame rate. I'm looking forward to the 7D Mark II. The 5D3 is not great at sports either 6FPS is a bit slow. The rumoured 10FPS of the 7D Mark II is more like it.
Take a look at the 6D thread, theres some recent shots of a motorbike race and a soccer game. The 6D can do sports if it has to.


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Jun 09, 2014 07:01 |  #74

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One thing not mentioned yet is for anyone that needs to shoot with more than one body, in my case one crop one FF.
Obviously the controls of the 5DIII will much better work alongside a 7D, while a 6D will be a better companion to a 60D / 70D.
I will use a 7D as second body and the AF and controls are so much like the 5D3 my choice was obvious.

That's true if you indeed shoot with a 7D as the second body :)

My second body is a 70D, which was very close in controls/ergonomics to my 6D, even the image size was exactly the same.

But now my FF is the 5DIII, so my 70D is different. It's not a big deal but again it depends on what your crop body is.

To me the 70D's IQ is a little better than the 7D's and personally I'm just as fine with the 8-way control pad as I am with the joystick, so I have no preference.


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Jun 11, 2014 20:22 |  #75

Thanks to all who participated in this thread. I went with the 5D3. I am loving it! The 6D is no slouch, but for what I wanted, the 5D3 was the answer.



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