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Jun 09, 2014 12:22 |  #16

6D is fine solid camera. If you want super AF and dont mind shelling out money for lenses, get the 5D3.


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Jun 09, 2014 13:22 |  #17

I say get the 5d3 since you can, that way you don't have to worry about recomposing your shot with the 6d. Plus who knows you may decide down the line to shoot something other than portraits and why not have a camera that opens up more options for you.

If you didn't have the money sure I would say get the 6D, but when you do have the money go for the best camera body you can afford. You already have the 50 1.8 which isn't bad for portraits (I love my nifty) then sell your 600d and pick up the 85 1.8 and you're set. I would totally skip the 24-105 unless you need a general purpose lens for travel.


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Jun 09, 2014 13:53 |  #18

frankwite wrote in post #16961291 (external link)
I say get the 5d3 since you can, that way you don't have to worry about recomposing your shot with the 6d. Plus who knows you may decide down the line to shoot something other than portraits and why not have a camera that opens up more options for you.

If you didn't have the money sure I would say get the 6D, but when you do have the money go for the best camera body you can afford. You already have the 50 1.8 which isn't bad for portraits (I love my nifty) then sell your 600d and pick up the 85 1.8 and you're set. I would totally skip the 24-105 unless you need a general purpose lens for travel.

That's pretty much the same answer as mine (*click*). Great minds think alike. ;)


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Jun 09, 2014 14:19 |  #19

jocau wrote in post #16961373 (external link)
That's pretty much the same answer as mine (*click*). Great minds think alike. ;)

LOL! Absolutely! I meant to reference to your post!


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Jun 09, 2014 14:39 |  #20

I don't know the answer
both are great


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Jun 09, 2014 14:50 |  #21

You can get a refurb 6D right now for $1300

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Jun 09, 2014 16:56 |  #22

frankwite wrote in post #16961291 (external link)
If you didn't have the money sure I would say get the 6D, but when you do have the money go for the best camera body you can afford. You already have the 50 1.8 which isn't bad for portraits (I love my nifty) then sell your 600d and pick up the 85 1.8 and you're set. I would totally skip the 24-105 unless you need a general purpose lens for travel.

No if your main objective is the photo, the idea is to get the best lens you can afford. The 6D has a fantastic sensor and can take images as good as the 5D3, one is better off to put the money towards lenses.
An 85mm L will be much better for his portraits than a 5D3.


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Jun 10, 2014 01:28 |  #23

Camera bodies depreciate much faster than lenses. Since you don't need the AF right now, get a 6d + 24-105, a 35mm f/2 IS, and an 85 1.8 for around $3000.
Now you got 3 great fast primes 35/50/85, a versatile zoom, and keep your old camera as a backup.


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Jun 10, 2014 02:22 |  #24

frankwite wrote in post #16961291 (external link)
I say get the 5d3 since you can, that way you don't have to worry about recomposing your shot with the 6d. Plus who knows you may decide down the line to shoot something other than portraits and why not have a camera that opens up more options for you.

If you didn't have the money sure I would say get the 6D, but when you do have the money go for the best camera body you can afford. You already have the 50 1.8 which isn't bad for portraits (I love my nifty) then sell your 600d and pick up the 85 1.8 and you're set. I would totally skip the 24-105 unless you need a general purpose lens for travel.

I used the outer points of my 6D just fine with fast glass... it's more than enough for portraiture, in fact, MF is better for portraiture anyway (hence my lens lineup).

Also, the 50/1.8 is likely to cause more issues focus than the 6D would, it's a notoriously bad focusing lens...

Mornnb wrote in post #16961746 (external link)
No if your main objective is the photo, the idea is to get the best lens you can afford. The 6D has a fantastic sensor and can take images as good as the 5D3, one is better off to put the money towards lenses.
An 85mm L will be much better for his portraits than a 5D3.

This.


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Jun 10, 2014 02:54 |  #25

Mornnb wrote in post #16961746 (external link)
No if your main objective is the photo, the idea is to get the best lens you can afford. The 6D has a fantastic sensor and can take images as good as the 5D3, one is better off to put the money towards lenses.
An 85mm L will be much better for his portraits than a 5D3.

But what will the keeper rate of the 85L @ F/1.2 be on the 6D? I remember a thread on this forum a while ago where I think it was bobbyz who wasn't satisfied with the keeper rate of the 6D + 85L combo.

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Also, the 50/1.8 is likely to cause more issues focus than the 6D would, it's a notoriously bad focusing lens...

I've heard this before, yet haven't really experienced it with my 50/1.8 on my 550D. Maybe I'm just lucky? It sure is a crappy lens if you want to use manual focus (and focusing is slow). That's why I'm hoping that Canon will release a new one soon/this year. I want new 50mm and 85mm versions of their latest EF 35mm F/2 IS USM.


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Jun 10, 2014 03:07 |  #26

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But what will the keeper rate of the 85L @ F/1.2 be on the 6D? I remember a thread on this forum a while ago where I think it was bobbyz who wasn't satisfied with the keeper rate of the 6D + 85L combo.

I've heard this before, yet haven't really experienced it with my 50/1.8 on my 550D. Maybe I'm just lucky? It sure is a crappy lens if you want to use manual focus (and focusing is slow). That's why I'm hoping that Canon will release a new one soon/this year. I want new 50mm and 85mm versions of their latest EF 35mm F/2 IS USM.

If we're all to go off of one bad review, none of us would buy anything ever. I've seen plenty of 85L, 50L and 135L shooters in the 6D owners thread, none of them have any issues. And honestly, I've never had an issue with "keepers" on a static subject... like, ever. For motion I can understand, but if you're missing focus on a still subject and not realizing it, you shouldn't be blaming the camera or the lens ;)

Those lenses are bound to come, my bet is the 50mm next, then a 135/2.8 replacement, then the 85mm will probably come later (because the current one is already pretty darn good).


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Jun 10, 2014 08:32 |  #27

6d with some nice glass unless that is already covered. 5dmk3 is better with outer points even for portraits.


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Jun 10, 2014 09:25 |  #28

jocau wrote in post #16962565 (external link)
But what will the keeper rate of the 85L @ F/1.2 be on the 6D? I remember a thread on this forum a while ago where I think it was bobbyz who wasn't satisfied with the keeper rate of the 6D + 85L combo.

bobbyz wrote in post #16962891 (external link)
6d with some nice glass unless that is already covered. 5dmk3 is better with outer points even for portraits.

Aha! And there he is! :D


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Jun 10, 2014 09:35 |  #29

I was trying to make the same decision a few months back, the Wi-Fi and GPS of the 6D won me over, I'm mainly a centre focus+recompose type of shooter and with the difference I bough a used 85L (plus a few bucks)

Some of the fun i've been having with the remote shooting on the iPhone has been way more valuable to me than the MKIII would have been ...

But thats my 0.02


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Jun 10, 2014 09:35 |  #30

Mornnb wrote in post #16961746 (external link)
No if your main objective is the photo, the idea is to get the best lens you can afford. The 6D has a fantastic sensor and can take images as good as the 5D3, one is better off to put the money towards lenses.
An 85mm L will be much better for his portraits than a 5D3.

I'm the 1% here that doesn't believe in glass first. I fell for that when I first got into photography years ago and I wished that I never went for that bad advice. Plus these days with sigma and tamron producing competitive lenses the resell value of canon lenses are depreciating fast. So the "glass holding value" thing isn't very relevant these days.

After buying L lenses I still wasn't satisfied until I bought a better camera. As much as I love my SL1 it doesn't come close to my orginal 5d. I've shot with my SL1 and 135L and my 5D's and 135L and it wasn't even close. The glass did not make my SL1 images better, however I do know that we're talking about a ff 6D.

I still say go with the best camera body you can afford, rather than limiting yourself for only what the 6d has to offer. FYI I'm not slamming anyone beloved 6d's as I think they're great cameras. I plan to get one someday when the prices fall well under a grand.


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