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Jun 08, 2014 23:08 |  #1

I took it upon myself to shoot as many shots as I could to let parents download the image off my Flickr. Like someone said, it is like "Herding Cats". These are cropped and noise reduced to hell. I have 99 processed. I still have about 50 more of my daughters and friends' daughters.

Here is the link to the set on Flickr Flickr Dance Recital (external link)

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Jun 09, 2014 07:12 |  #2

Not bad at all given how difficult the lighting can be for those!




  
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Jun 09, 2014 07:54 |  #3

They look pretty good to me.


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Jun 09, 2014 10:04 |  #4

Well done... love the third and the last one

tho you may be doing the NR a bit too much? They seem a little tiny bit plastic in the faces.

I'd also crop that last one to move the young lady into the upper right corner removing most of the distracting background.

I've shot plenty of dress rehearsals with my daughter's studio tho they're dang picky about people posting the images... maybe now that it is 8 years later nobody would care.

it is a great learning experience tho! It forces everyone to shoot in manual as there's no way a camera can properly expose on stage lighting.


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Jun 09, 2014 11:55 |  #5

What were your settings?




  
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Jun 09, 2014 13:33 |  #6

I notice that images 2 and 3 feature soft faces. In 2 her right hand is sharper than her face. In 3 the shoes are sharper than her face. When viewing people tend to take in the face nearly immediately and often settle on the face as central to the image. An OOF face tends to signal the viewer that this is not the most important aspect of the image. In 2 and 3 I am fairly sure the hand and shoes are less important.

As a rule of thumb in my world always bring the face into focus unless you are completely in control over what you are shooting and why you are shooting it that way. Auto-focus can be a hassle because it is never easy to get the focus point where you want it to be. That's why I shoot manual for everything. Definitely a lot harder to do but focus control can be precise to anywhere in the frame provided the subject isn't bouncing all over the place.




  
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Jun 09, 2014 13:34 |  #7

tmoore323 wrote in post #16961100 (external link)
What were your settings?

Most (if not all) were shot at 2.8 and fairly fast (around 1/640 or faster) to stop movement and the ISO was up around 4000 or higher to get my speed up.

I didn't know the routines, so I had to anticipate what was going to happen. The last shot above was pure luck. I do know enough about dance (a 6 year dad of 2 dancers), that I saw she was setting up for a jump, heading right in my direction.


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Jun 09, 2014 13:42 |  #8

jetcode wrote in post #16961325 (external link)
I notice that images 2 and 3 feature soft faces. In 2 her right hand is sharper than her face. In 3 the shoes are sharper than her face. When viewing people tend to take in the face nearly immediately and often settle on the face as central to the image. An OOF face tends to signal the viewer that this is not the most important aspect of the image. In 2 and 3 I am fairly sure the hand and shoes are less important.

As a rule of thumb in my world always bring the face into focus unless you are completely in control over what you are shooting and why you are shooting it that way. Auto-focus can be a hassle because it is never easy to get the focus point where you want it to be. That's why I shoot manual for everything. Definitely a lot harder to do but focus control can be precise to anywhere in the frame provided the subject isn't bouncing all over the place.

You have to use Autofocus for this because the action is so quick (especially if you don't know what is about to happen). I didn't shoot in multiply frames, just single shots. The focus points is basically just a hope and pray. In one of my daughter's dances, she gets a lift from three other dancers, and I even missed that (knowing it was coming up).


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Jun 09, 2014 13:49 |  #9

planet5D wrote in post #16960918 (external link)
tho you may be doing the NR a bit too much? They seem a little tiny bit plastic in the faces.

I know it is way over done, but with the ISO set at 5000, and no control over the lighting, you have to make do. Like i said in the original post, i shot as many as I could (about 150 keepers), and there were hundreds of other people there with cameras. After I posted them on FB on the school's page MANY photographers from that day are dumbfounded at my results, asking how I did that, with super lit images, sharp, etc.

Plus, as far as "plastic faces", if you never been to a recital, their make up is SO over done, it adds to the plastic look.

First rule of photography, please the client, not other photographers!!! bw!

But, I know what you are saying, these are not high quality as far as standards of great photography go.


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Jun 09, 2014 13:51 as a reply to  @ theantiquetiger's post |  #10

You got some really good ones.




  
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Jun 09, 2014 14:52 |  #11

theantiquetiger wrote in post #16961351 (external link)
You have to use Autofocus for this because the action is so quick (especially if you don't know what is about to happen). I didn't shoot in multiply frames, just single shots. The focus points is basically just a hope and pray. In one of my daughter's dances, she gets a lift from three other dancers, and I even missed that (knowing it was coming up).

In that case you can stop down another stop so the DOF covers important features in action. AF is supposed to resolve hope and pray which is generally reserved for manual focus LOL. I have never had much luck with AF however.

Listen to PhotosGuy. He's a very seasoned shooter. If it passes his bill of health it's good.




  
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Jun 09, 2014 18:26 |  #12

You would have gotten sharper results using (1) AI Servo instead of One-Shot AF, and (2) Continuous Drive instead of Single Shot mode.

AI Servo (external link) is specifically designed for moving subjects and it allows you to track a subject without losing focus as they move around. Works even better if you move the AF to the back button. Since the autofocus is tracking the subject it eliminates the need to "hope and pray."

Continuous Drive would allow you to capture the action at its "peak". You don't have to use the camera's 5.3 frames default; even Low-speed continuous or setting the camera to 3 frames per second would capture peak action if you time it right.

Nice shots but it looks like you need to spend some time reading your camera's manual.

theantiquetiger wrote in post #16961351 (external link)
You have to use Autofocus for this because the action is so quick (especially if you don't know what is about to happen). I didn't shoot in multiply frames, just single shots. The focus points is basically just a hope and pray. In one of my daughter's dances, she gets a lift from three other dancers, and I even missed that (knowing it was coming up).


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Jun 10, 2014 00:46 |  #13

I understand the environment and think you did quite well. PixelMagic has great suggestions for you as far as AI Servo and drive. Back button AF is the only way I shoot now and can't recommend highly enough. Take a bit of time to get used to but it works.

As far as NR, don't go overboard. These look very smooth and backing down NR probably would not be an issue.


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Jun 15, 2014 08:24 |  #14

theantiquetiger wrote in post #16961366 (external link)
I know it is way over done, but with the ISO set at 5000, and no control over the lighting, you have to make do. Like i said in the original post, i shot as many as I could (about 150 keepers), and there were hundreds of other people there with cameras. After I posted them on FB on the school's page MANY photographers from that day are dumbfounded at my results, asking how I did that, with super lit images, sharp, etc.

Plus, as far as "plastic faces", if you never been to a recital, their make up is SO over done, it adds to the plastic look.

First rule of photography, please the client, not other photographers!!! bw!

But, I know what you are saying, these are not high quality as far as standards of great photography go.

I've shot plenty of my daughter's dress rehearsals and know what you're going thru... but, just because the 'client' doesn't know what is good from bad doesn't mean you have to over do the noise reduction :)

People are ok with some noise if sharpness and natural looks win out.

You can blow away the 'hundreds of other photographers' in a situation like this just by shooting manual exposure as their cameras are trying to balance the dark background with the bright kids and losing. Everyone is always impressed with photos I think are trash just because I knew how to set up the exposure... but that doesn't make a great photo.

I look back at my first set of photos from her recital and just cringe, yet people I showed them to thought they were great...

Don't get me wrong, you're well on your way and you've done well! Can't wait to see your next batch as they'll be even better :)


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Jun 15, 2014 08:31 |  #15

By the way, the more I look at the last photo, the thing that bothers me (and my daughter noticed it right away) is that we only see one leg. I love her expression and it is damn hard to make a great pic in such a quick moment, but that missing leg is holding this back from being a great photo as well.


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