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Samyang or canon 85mm?

 
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Jun 10, 2014 22:12 |  #16

Jason C wrote in post #16964211 (external link)
I'm on my second Rokinon, I once owned a Canon 85/1.8 and I currently own an 85L.

The Rokinon is an excellent value for a fast 85mm, but be prepared to miss focus on a lot of wide-open shots especially the closer the subject is to you. All you have to do is just breath during shutter release and you will probably miss focus. It happens, it's the nature of the beast with a thin DOF. A precision matte focus screen will help.

Sure, the Canon 85/1.8 is 2/3rds of a stop slower, but it's AF is fast and accurate.

Now you stated AF is of little concern due to the portrait work you have planned for an 85mm, live view will come in quite handy with any MF lens.

So, whatever path you choose, you'll have a winner.


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True, but honestly if you're closer to your subject and your DOF is that thin you should really be stopping the lens down a little anyway.


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Jun 11, 2014 10:56 |  #17

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16964382 (external link)
True, but honestly if you're closer to your subject and your DOF is that thin you should really be stopping the lens down a little anyway.

Exactly!

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Jun 11, 2014 12:28 |  #18

Not always. Think of the baby photographs. I've always shot 85L at f/1.2 with great results. Never thought of using a lens capable at f/1.2 to stop it down :lol: It defeats the purpose.


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Jun 11, 2014 14:01 |  #19

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Not always. Think of the baby photographs. I've always shot 85L at f/1.2 with great results. Never thought of using a lens capable at f/1.2 to stop it down :lol: It defeats the purpose.

No it doesn't... it's a fantastic lens at all apertures, why limit yourself to only shooting wide open? That's a bit like saying "why buy a Ferrari if you're not going to drove at full throttle everywhere you go?".


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Jun 11, 2014 17:45 |  #20

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16965701 (external link)
No it doesn't... it's a fantastic lens at all apertures, why limit yourself to only shooting wide open? That's a bit like saying "why buy a Ferrari if you're not going to drove at full throttle everywhere you go?".

That's what I meant. Hate when I see a Ferrari owner driving 25 in a 45 zone :lol:


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Jun 11, 2014 23:15 |  #21

It comes down to image quality vs. ease of use. I prefer the images I've gotten out of my samyang/rokinon. They seem to have more character to them; can't put my finger on it. The canon 85 is much easier to use with its auto focus and auto aperture.

The manual lens can get very difficult to work with at smaller apertures unless you are shooting stationary subjects.




  
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Jun 12, 2014 04:58 |  #22

Cesium wrote in post #16966715 (external link)
It comes down to image quality vs. ease of use. I prefer the images I've gotten out of my samyang/rokinon. They seem to have more character to them; can't put my finger on it. The canon 85 is much easier to use with its auto focus and auto aperture.

The manual lens can get very difficult to work with at smaller apertures unless you are shooting stationary subjects.

Same opinion! The Samyang/Rokinon 85mm is a very nice lens, and underrated. My copy is sharp enough at f/1.4 and I really like the bokeh it produces. I will add that like other "wide aperture" lenses, it's better to overexpose a bit (half a stop) to have a better image quality.

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Jun 12, 2014 09:14 |  #23

I was troubling my self with this decision lately as well.

I think I'm going to go with the Samyang, if I need AF in the 85mm range I'll just stick to my "slow" 70-200L.


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Jun 13, 2014 08:56 |  #24

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Heya,

They are not about the same. The Samyang is quite better optically overall, and sharp enough wide open (sharp at F1.4). I have both lenses. I use the EF 85 F1.8 for sports and fast moving things. I use my Samyang 85 F1.4 for portraits and things that don't move super fast (but I can still shoot moving things with it). I shoot a lot of manual glass, so I'm ok with it. I bought mine $280 new. I got my Canon EF 85 F1.8 used for $300. Again, the Canon has autofocus, but the Samyang has better optics and is faster (aperture).

Two different tools really. The Samyang to me is more of a dedicated portrait lens and is better at it. The Canon 85 great, and has super fast autofocus, that's what I use it for. Really they both can do the same job. It just depends how specific you want your images to be. F1.4 cannot be replicated by the Canon lens. So, if that's what you want, you just have to get an F1.4 lens. If you're ok with F1.8 or F2, then get the Canon if you want autofocus.

Your camera has liveview, you're set for manual focus, it makes it super easy. You don't have to do a focus screen swap unless you want to.

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Samyang 85 F1.4 (notice the background destruction and bokeh quality)

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Jun 13, 2014 10:26 |  #25

I'm feeling the need for speed so I think I've decided on the Samyang, I'll order an EG-S screen as well.


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Jun 13, 2014 20:05 |  #26

kymira wrote in post #16969205 (external link)
Beautiful shots, are you shooting that on a crop or ff?

Those were shot on APS-C.

Here's more of the 85mm F1.4 Samyang, today, at F1.4. Also on APS-C.

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Jul 04, 2014 01:55 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #27

Hi guys,

Thanks for everyone's advice, I decided on the Samyang (Pro Optic variant) in the end and couldn't be happier.

Had a chance to take some family portraits alongside my brother in laws canon 85mm whilr away and the ones from Pro Optic seemed a bit sharper, better bokeh and with more "character" for half the price!

The manual focus isn't a problem either on my 70d with the larger viewfinder (although I never had problems with the 1000d or 600d in the past).

Also picked up my nikon 55mm f1.2 with the savings so good shopping trip all round. :)


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