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Jun 16, 2014 14:07 |  #16

gonzogolf wrote in post #16975252 (external link)
Then get a better handle on your shooting so that its less of an issue. Move the light closer to the subject and use flags or gobos to cut the spill from the pedestal.

I'll have to take a pic of my set up & show you what kind of lighting I'm using.
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Jun 16, 2014 14:10 |  #17

gonzogolf wrote in post #16975252 (external link)
Then get a better handle on your shooting so that its less of an issue. Move the light closer to the subject and use flags or gobos to cut the spill from the pedestal.

Agreed.

A better setup will benefit you 100x more than using the pen tool and save you a TON of time if you have a lot of photos to do.


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Jun 16, 2014 15:05 |  #18

I know there are different types, but wouldn't black velvet soak up more of the spill light than the paper?


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Jun 16, 2014 15:19 |  #19

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I know there are different types, but wouldn't black velvet soak up more of the spill light than the paper?

This is black velvet.


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Jun 16, 2014 15:51 |  #20

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IMAGE EDITING OK
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I have no expertise to contribute here, but as to the "IMAGE EDITING OK" thing, you want to open your User Profile by going to the UserCP and clicking the "Edit Profile" button, then click the option in the "Additional Information" panel to "give members permission to alter your photos and repost the altered photos to forums".


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Jun 16, 2014 16:15 |  #21

kjonnnn wrote in post #16975017 (external link)
You might also want to rethink how you are photographing them. If had some type of pedestal that you could place the statues on, you could place your black background farther away. The light falloff from your light source would be greater and render the background closer tomthe black you want. Then you'd only have to deal with the pedestal.

Agreed entirely.

kjonnnn wrote in post #16975017 (external link)
OR photograph them on pure white. That would be much easier to remove and replace with black or whatever you choose in PS.

Somewhat disagree - on a white background, the lighting look will likely be a little different, due to spill and wrap from the white background. Not saying that's a bad thing, just a little different.

HoldyourfireAl wrote in post #16975437 (external link)
This is black velvet.

Post a wide-angle or far-away shot of your setup.

I'm doing something kinda similar tonight, though with a glass bottle instead of a figure. I'll post my setup and results.

A pedestal will help a lot. You might still have to do a little photoshop to remove it, but it'll be in a tiny space at the bottom of the figure, instead of the full complex outline of the whole figure. A flat disc mounted on top of a skinny vertical stand would be ideal.

If you're doing many of these, spending an hour to improve your setup will save you dozens of hours in post-processing, and result in a cleaner look.

1) Move the figure farther away from the backdrop
2) Put it on a little pedestal.
3) Direct your lights so they don't spill on the backdrop - either with gobos/flags, or with grids, or with distance, or simply by angling the lights away from the backdrop.


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Jun 16, 2014 16:21 |  #22

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I have no expertise to contribute here, but as to the "IMAGE EDITING OK" thing, you want to open your User Profile by going to the UserCP and clicking the "Edit Profile" button, then click the option in the "Additional Information" panel to "give members permission to alter your photos and repost the altered photos to forums".

Done. Thanks!


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Jun 16, 2014 16:24 |  #23

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Agreed entirely.

Somewhat disagree - on a white background, the lighting look will likely be a little different, due to spill and wrap from the white background. Not saying that's a bad thing, just a little different.

Post a wide-angle or far-away shot of your setup.

I'm doing something kinda similar tonight, though with a glass bottle instead of a figure. I'll post my setup and results.

A pedestal will help a lot. You might still have to do a little photoshop to remove it, but it'll be in a tiny space at the bottom of the figure, instead of the full complex outline of the whole figure. A flat disc mounted on top of a skinny vertical stand would be ideal.

If you're doing many of these, spending an hour to improve your setup will save you dozens of hours in post-processing, and result in a cleaner look.

1) Move the figure farther away from the backdrop
2) Put it on a little pedestal.
3) Direct your lights so they don't spill on the backdrop - either with gobos/flags, or with grids, or with distance, or simply by angling the lights away from the backdrop.

I will take #s 2 & 3 into consideration, but the statues are 5 to 6 feet from my backdrop.

Now I just need to figure out what the heck to use as a pedestal. Something big & non-reflective black...

These statues are usually between 15 to 17" high & weigh anywhere from 3 to 12 lbs.


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Jun 16, 2014 17:15 |  #24

HoldyourfireAl wrote in post #16975437 (external link)
This is black velvet.

OK, sorry looked like paper. You might try laying it out different as I think the direction of the nap may make a difference as well. Also, I've heard that some of the velvets work better than others.


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Jun 16, 2014 17:19 |  #25

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OK, sorry looked like paper. You might try laying it out different as I think the direction of the nap may make a difference as well. Also, I've heard that some of the velvets work better than others.

My lights are rather large. Haha. I have to figure out something to tape to the screen to make the squares smaller that won't burn the house down.
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Jun 16, 2014 17:35 |  #26

OT - nice job on the model itself. My son paints miniatures (like the 1" size or so).


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Jun 16, 2014 17:56 |  #27

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OT - nice job on the model itself. My son paints miniatures (like the 1" size or so).

I can't really take any credit. These come already painted from Bowen Designs. They are resin statues.
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Jun 16, 2014 18:14 |  #28

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Again, 5 min quick pen tool edit.
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I'm watching Pen Tool tutorials on YouTube & I'm amazed that this took you 5 minutes!


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Jun 16, 2014 20:34 |  #29

HoldyourfireAl wrote in post #16975779 (external link)
I'm watching Pen Tool tutorials on YouTube & I'm amazed that this took you 5 minutes!

I used the pen tool but not at it's best technique. A lot of my anchor points were super close to each other. Cutting the time in half basically. If I was to use the pen tool as it was meant to be the outcome would be much smoother and it would have taken a little longer.

Believe me, the first few times II used the pen tool I wanted to shove a pen into my eye. You'll get it!!


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Jun 16, 2014 21:29 |  #30

Today's setup. Counting by the floor tiles, there's about 4 feet between subject and backdrop - but, note that my edge lights are facing almost completely away from the backdrop so there's no unwanted light getting back there.

IMAGE: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5154/14440280665_791b02091c_b.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/o13d​mi  (external link) Untitled (external link) by nathancarter (external link), on Flickr


Results from camera, with very slight raw processing. I dropped the blacks by like -10 in LR, and increased the contrast and clarity a smidge.
[edit] And a little short negative-exposure gradient at the bottom edge.

IMAGE: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3907/14417664356_2b14946fa8_b.jpg
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Final:

IMAGE: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5078/14254180210_ee73441f4f_b.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/nHAp​aL  (external link) Kraken_Rum_Final.jpg (external link) by nathancarter (external link), on Flickr

(not shown, a couple of fill-in shots where I adjusted the main light in a couple of different positions to try and light up the raised text on the bottle)

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