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70D or 5D Mk iii ?

 
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Jun 19, 2014 06:46 as a reply to  @ post 16980930 |  #16

Sounds a little like you have the FF bug,,and looking for someone to confirm going full frame.
Just my opinion,,the 70d would work real nice for your requirements. Your going to lose the reach if you go full frame,
I went from a 50d to 7d, I only use my 7d shoot sports. The 70d is going to be better at high iso than my 7d.

I think the 5dmkiii is a great, great camera, For a amatuer dad I can't justify a $3000 body(5diii)But then again I can't justify the harley sitting in my garage either.




  
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Jun 19, 2014 06:52 |  #17

I've never tried the 70D but have a 7D and would choose the 5D III just about every time.

Have you considered a 1D4? Compromise between going full frame from APS-C. Great auto focus, 10fps, good ISO performance and has a very solid build and no need for an additional grip.


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Jun 19, 2014 07:25 as a reply to  @ post 16981016 |  #18

Penodr.
Coming from the 7D, my 5D Mark III has shot more sports this spring than I could have imagined. Although the FPS is slightly slower than the 7D, the files are much, much cleaner. The AF system on the Mark III is also more advanced compared to the 7D and 70D.
Adding a 1.4 ExTender coupled with your 70-200 allows you to get closer to the 1.6 crop factor.
Build quality and size of the 5D Mark III may also be to your liking with larger hands. Adding the grip to the Mark III has a nice balanced robust feel that works for me.


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Jun 19, 2014 09:15 as a reply to  @ Nick5's post |  #19

When I upgraded from my eight year old 5D, I was really torn between the 5D iii and the newer 6D. Both have compelling advantages, but overall, the 5D iii is the better choice if only because of 61 point AF. The 6D has a slight advantage at high ISO according to reviewers but I didn't have the opportunity to compare them head to head. If cost and high ISO are your primary concerns, go with the 6D and apply the difference to appropriate glass. If cost isn't a concern, I believe the 5D iii is a better choice. You could stretch your budget a bit and buy both the 6D and 70D, but once you have a full frame camera, a crop sensor probably will collect dust in your camera bag!


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Jun 19, 2014 15:11 |  #20

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16980541 (external link)
I would love to see the raw file and see how it can be cleaned up. Would you be able to share it?

Ok, here is the raw file.

https://www.dropbox.co​m …nk1/20140508-IMG_3590.dng (external link)

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Jun 19, 2014 15:22 |  #21

Here's my attempt

http://i.imgur.com/mti​PqEX.jpg?1?3549 (external link)


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Jun 19, 2014 15:34 |  #22

Just Lightroom here....

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Jun 19, 2014 15:52 |  #23

^how did you remove the pattern banding like that? I use 6400 on my 50D a loth ut don't ever use the 12,800 due to those bands


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Jun 19, 2014 15:54 |  #24


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Mine... the 150k limitation doesn't do it any favors...

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Jun 19, 2014 16:01 |  #25

For my workflow, I might need the CR2 file, if you have it. The DNG doesn't help me, I don't think, as I don't use DNG files or have workflow wrapped around it. I will try to use photoshop/acr on it, but there are some settings on the CR2 and results from DPP that I might need. I will check it out.

EDIT: this is using my 5D3 action, it seemed to do okay with this, it was a bit ugly to being with noise-wise. I will try one of my other 1D4 or 7D actions on it.

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Jun 19, 2014 16:03 |  #26

tried to keep framing exactly as TS intended:

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that noise aint pretty, that's about the limit I can work the file without totally destroying detail. Little bit of grain dont hurt, but yeah, the noise is atrocious.

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Jun 19, 2014 16:04 |  #27

Sacadelic wrote in post #16982004 (external link)
Just Lightroom here....

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20140508-IMG_3590 (external link) by Sacadelic (external link), on Flickr

This looks like the NR is cranked, the banding is gone but the detail is lost as well.


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Jun 19, 2014 16:05 as a reply to  @ venom3300's post |  #28

Sacadelic,

Is that just using the Luminance slider in Lightroom? I get very similar results in Lightroom. It just would be nice to shoot at 1/1000 of a sec in these conditions, and I think 25600 ISO would be nice.

I think I am leaning towards the 70D, I just cant see spending that much more money on a 5D mkiii. But since I have time, I think I will wait to see how the new 7dmkii matches up with these two price wise as well as spec wise.

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Jun 19, 2014 16:13 |  #29

the shot would have been a lot better if you didnt have to do such a heavy crop. That heavy crop really amplifies the noise.


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Jun 19, 2014 16:33 |  #30

That's pretty good Charlie. :)

Let's just say that if you had shot this very scene with the 5D3, the out of camera JPG would be quite a bit better than anything we could do to the 50D image during post-processing. It would look like what your 50D 1600 would look like.


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