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Jun 16, 2014 11:37 |  #31
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Lowner wrote in post #16974617 (external link)
An offer of $95 is better than the £25 a UK national magazine paid an agency for a shot of mine. I'd be accepting that offer because I believe they are telling the truth about being able to get another shot for that money.

The trick is of course to produce that kind of shot often enough to earn a comfortable living.

I have no doubt they would be able to get pretty much any shot they wanted for free.
There are loads of photographer wanna be's out there that would want nothing more than one of the Lunchbags they could frame and hang on the wall to show off to all their friends and prove what a hot shot they were.

The thing is though, if shooters start accepting this without reservation, your assertion of being able to do it enough to make a living will be null and voind because there won't be ANY money to be made because the market value of images will be zero.

They may well get an image they want for $95 and they might even get one for free but condoning the de valuing of photography by accepting this will bite us all hard in the arse in the very near future if we all give in to it without hesitation.




  
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Jun 16, 2014 12:00 |  #32

djphotosyd wrote in post #16974906 (external link)
They may well get an image they want for $95 and they might even get one for free but condoning the de valuing of photography by accepting this will bite us all hard in the arse in the very near future if we all give in to it without hesitation.

It isn't "devaluing" photography as such. It is recognising its real value given the supply and demand that currently exists in the marketplace. There is such a glut of supply with photography being as common as air these days that it is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.

Unless a photographer has a niche market/unique style/USP they'll have to accept the going rate. If a photographer consistently cannot sell at prices high enough to sustain their businesses they need to either up their game or find a new career. The very harsh truth is they are not worth what they thought they were worth.

Photography (of sorts) is now one of the most of the most common pastimes on the planet.


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Jun 16, 2014 12:19 |  #33

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I should have known what to expect when I got the first email and it said "we saw your photo on line and would really like to use it on this product! would you require a licensing fee?

So they know what a licensing fee is, and what licensing is, and they expect you to know, and nevertheless they offer a flat (and small) amount for all rights? Shameless, and a poor strategy to boot. If their initial e-mail reaches a hobby photographer who's clueless about the business side and it mentions a licensing fee, what's the recipient going to do? I know what I'd do. I'd go look up the phrase "licensing fee."

Another peculiar thing. Sellers set prices like $95 to make the amount seem small. ("Order now! Only $99.99 each!") Buyers make offers in rounder numbers. Creating the illusion of a low amount isn't in a seller's interest.


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Jun 17, 2014 03:35 |  #34

Lowner wrote in post #16974617 (external link)
An offer of $95 is better than the £25 a UK national magazine paid an agency for a shot of mine. I'd be accepting that offer because I believe they are telling the truth about being able to get another shot for that money.

The trick is of course to produce that kind of shot often enough to earn a comfortable living.

I'm sorry you got your image ripped off like that man.




  
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Jun 18, 2014 23:50 |  #35

nathancarter wrote in post #16969934 (external link)
Respond with something along the following:
"I'm sorry, but that's far below industry standards, so I can't accept your offer of $95. The Getty images license fee for similar usage would be $XX,XXX; I also evaluated the rates using Fotoquote, which is what most photographers use for individual image licensing, and it recommended a license fee of $X,XXX. While I am open to negotiation, I simply can't undercut the industry so drastically."

If you don't have Fotoquote, here are a couple of free online calcs:
http://www.featurepics​.com …ense-fees-calculator.aspx (external link)
http://stockphotoprice​calculator.com/ (external link)

Good luck, get paid.

according to that site the image it does worth around that price 105-200 USD, not +1000
I would like to see we the photographers make so much money but the market is indicating different
good luck




  
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Jun 19, 2014 00:26 |  #36

ernestoqr wrote in post #16980683 (external link)
according to that site the image it does worth around that price 105-200 USD, not +1000
I would like to see we the photographers make so much money but the market is indicating different
good luck

You didn't use the website correctly.




  
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Jun 20, 2014 21:01 |  #37

So what is the final response or outcome?


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Jun 21, 2014 18:49 |  #38

Do it! It's great publicity for yourself!


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Jun 23, 2014 14:03 |  #39

b0barikin wrote in post #16986051 (external link)
Do it! It's great publicity for yourself!

I was paid $150 for a photo to be used in this months' (well Junes issue) of Popular Photography. It is for the mentor series ad. I retain all rights. My name is on the photo.
I haven't gotten any other offers due to my photo being in the magazine.

The OPs exposure could lead to sales, but for $95 I would run from that. I understand that companies need to make money, but that is ridiculous. If I got $150 for a small print ad for one month in a magazine, you should be getting a "bit" more than that.


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Jun 23, 2014 15:06 |  #40

b0barikin wrote in post #16986051 (external link)
Do it! It's great publicity for yourself!

LOL. You rebel rouser.




  
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Jun 23, 2014 15:07 |  #41

HBOC wrote in post #16989828 (external link)
I was paid $150 for a photo to be used in this months' (well Junes issue) of Popular Photography. It is for the mentor series ad. I retain all rights. My name is on the photo.
I haven't gotten any other offers due to my photo being in the magazine.

The OPs exposure could lead to sales, but for $95 I would run from that. I understand that companies need to make money, but that is ridiculous. If I got $150 for a small print ad for one month in a magazine, you should be getting a "bit" more than that.

He was just joking.




  
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