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Jun 30, 2014 08:15 |  #1

which one would you go for? say both new
just sold my 1Ds so wanting to replace my hobby camera. i have $1k to spend.

should i go for 7d cheaper but proven performance or 70d more expensive but newer technology?

im really thinking about 7d since its cheaper and been proven a sturdy camera. my issue with 70d has some sensitive mechanisms like moving screens and touch screen.

however im worried about 7d is 5yrs old and still expensive.

what do you guys think?


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Jun 30, 2014 08:21 |  #2

If you don't mind me asking, what was the reason behind selling the 1Ds? Are you looking for mainly newer technology and features? I somewhat agree on the 7D being a bit expensive for the price brand new considering its age, but you can find plenty of decent deals on gently used 7D bodies too. As far as the vari-angle swivel touch screen on the 70D is plenty durable as long as you don't go intentionally abusing the camera. The 70D is certainly a nice body with the newer features if you shoot video over the 7D with the dual pixel AF. Though honestly though coming from a 1Ds FF sensor you should be looking at another FF body unless you're specifically looking for a crop sensor.


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Jun 30, 2014 08:24 |  #3

The 7D is still priced a bit higher because it's a proven sports camera and very durable. The 70D has newer technology but is oriented more toward video and non-sports use with its improved live view autofocus system. Not really intended for the same applications at all. But then if you were interested in sports you'd have kept your 1Ds...


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Jun 30, 2014 15:16 |  #4

outmywindow wrote in post #17002816 (external link)
If you don't mind me asking, what was the reason behind selling the 1Ds? Are you looking for mainly newer technology and features? I somewhat agree on the 7D being a bit expensive for the price brand new considering its age, but you can find plenty of decent deals on gently used 7D bodies too. As far as the vari-angle swivel touch screen on the 70D is plenty durable as long as you don't go intentionally abusing the camera. The 70D is certainly a nice body with the newer features if you shoot video over the 7D with the dual pixel AF. Though honestly though coming from a 1Ds FF sensor you should be looking at another FF body unless you're specifically looking for a crop sensor.

i loved the 1ds but i find the buffering was too slow for my liking. the iso was somewhat limited for indoor or dusk shots. a bit too bulky too. other than that i could have kept it if the buffering and iso were sufficient. Definitely great outdoor camera, landscape and the magical iso400 on it. i dont mind another full frame but its out of my range $$$


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Jun 30, 2014 15:19 |  #5

GregDunn wrote in post #17002819 (external link)
The 7D is still priced a bit higher because it's a proven sports camera and very durable. The 70D has newer technology but is oriented more toward video and non-sports use with its improved live view autofocus system. Not really intended for the same applications at all. But then if you were interested in sports you'd have kept your 1Ds...

the buffering was too slow.. i find myself waiting for disk write before i can take another shot.

but for $150 more i can get the 70d with alot of bells and whistles. i may try them at the shops today see which one i would prefer.


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Jun 30, 2014 15:22 |  #6

Heya,

What do you shoot?

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Jun 30, 2014 15:27 |  #7

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What do you shoot?

Very best,

anything really? hence why sometimes the 1ds struggles without flash. im planning on getting the 50 1.4 soon too so i can do more indoor shots without flash.


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Jun 30, 2014 15:32 |  #8

GregDunn wrote in post #17002819 (external link)
... But then if you were interested in sports you'd have kept your 1Ds...

Maybe with later models, but I'm reading 1Ds as in 11MP 1st gen dog slow buffer 1Ds.
Sure, it was the best most expensive DSLR of it's day, but sports photogs (and most wildlife) shot the 1D and lived with the 4.5MP because the 1Ds was too slow to catch anything more than Studio or landscape speeds. (this was the body that epitomized the true meaning of the "S" for "Studio" or "Slow" :) )


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Jun 30, 2014 15:35 |  #9

PrinceAbubu wrote in post #17003531 (external link)
but for $150 more i can get the 70d with alot of bells and whistles. i may try them at the shops today see which one i would prefer.

This is your best bet.
The 7D handles like a classic SLR, just fast.
The 70D is part of an evolution much further down the road that offers a lot to some, that others may ignore.


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Jun 30, 2014 15:38 |  #10

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17003560 (external link)
Maybe with later models, but I'm reading 1Ds as in 11MP 1st gen dog slow buffer 1Ds.
Sure, it was the best most expensive DSLR of it's day, but sports photogs (and most wildlife) shot the 1D and lived with the 4.5MP because the 1Ds was too slow to catch anything more than Studio or landscape speeds. (this was the body that epitomized the true meaning of the "S" for "Studio" or "Slow" :) )

Me, I'd go for the 7D. Maybe..

totally agree with you there.

im still thinking 7d but i might hate myself for not spending the extra $150 for the newer 70d with better tech. but i dont video so i dont see the need. but the extra 1 stop iso of 70d is confusing my decision hehe...

is the extra 150$ worth the 25600iso? maybe thats my question here.


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Jun 30, 2014 15:43 |  #11

Heya,

The way I see it, if you're looking to do more indoor shots without flash, why not just save a wee bit more and look into a refurb 6D?

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Jun 30, 2014 15:48 |  #12

70D-no spot metering,deal breaker for me!


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Jun 30, 2014 15:48 |  #13

70D IMHO. The 70D gets you a newer sensor plus a ton of bells & whistles that are quite useful. The 7D on the other hand is slightly more robust, retains the joystick, is 1 FPS faster and has slightly better AF (additional options, i.e. single point expansion mode).

The 7D is heavier, bigger, SOOC noise handling is worse and it uses more expensive CF cards. Some swear by the 7D, but it's too long in the tooth, especially to pay full price.

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70D-no spot metering,deal breaker for me!

Please don't spread misinformation - the 70D does indeed have spot metering, as well as evaluative, partial & center-weighted average.


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Jun 30, 2014 16:27 |  #14

hokiealumnus wrote in post #17003602 (external link)
70D IMHO. The 70D gets you a newer sensor plus a ton of bells & whistles that are quite useful. The 7D on the other hand is slightly more robust, retains the joystick, is 1 FPS faster and has slightly better AF (additional options, i.e. single point expansion mode).

The 7D is heavier, bigger, SOOC noise handling is worse and it uses more expensive CF cards. Some swear by the 7D, but it's too long in the tooth, especially to pay full price.

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Please don't spread misinformation - the 70D does indeed have spot metering, as well as evaluative, partial & center-weighted average.

My bad!! Your right it does have spot metering.


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Jun 30, 2014 17:03 |  #15

MalVeauX wrote in post #17003589 (external link)
Heya,

The way I see it, if you're looking to do more indoor shots without flash, why not just save a wee bit more and look into a refurb 6D?

Very best,

Just had a look at a 6d, a bit out of my price range for a new one. Not sure bout purchasing refub. I would have pulled the trigger if I didn't have my 450d (my travel camera).


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