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Jun 30, 2014 17:55 as a reply to  @ post 17003595 |  #16

Larry, looks to be Chuck Tippett up there on the Stearman.

When shooting low shutter speeds, you've got to try to be very exact about holding the focus point on a specific spot on the plane. For a shot like you have here, I'd probably have put the focus point on the pilots head or at the front of his windscreen where it meets the fuselage and held it there for the entire pass. Sounds kind of easy, but its not. It takes practice.

Stearman props turn relatively slowly. 1/200 would probably be about the fastest you could go and still show some prop blur, if you are taking a quartering shot. For a profile shot, you've got to go really low to show even a little blur, which will appear only at the prop tips.

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BTW, I met TheBigDog at the WWII Weekend, and he had no tripod or monopod and he can probably confirm the same for me.

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Jun 30, 2014 18:00 |  #17

When panning, I have the focus point on the centre line, off centre.. if I'm panning from left to right, I'll have it two focus points off the centre, so I can get the whole aircraft in the frame and have the nose/engine with the focus point on it. Visa versa going the other way..


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Jun 30, 2014 18:49 as a reply to  @ jwol's post |  #18

John,

Awesome pics. Strange, in my shot of the wing hanger he wasn't wearing the red vest.:) Nor did it come out half as sharp as yours. What lens do you shoot. Where you there yesterday. Did you hear that one of their planes when down in a nearby field. Pilot dislocated his shoulder. The plane needs lot of repairing.

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Jun 30, 2014 20:27 as a reply to  @ Larry Johnson's post |  #19

Larry, both of the shots I posted were done with the 100-400mm. I was not there yesterday. The top shot is from the Culpepper Airshow back in 2012. The pilot in that photo is Charlie Schwenker who lost his life almost exactly a year ago at the Vectren Dayton Airshow along with wing-walker Jane Wicker. Both were members of the Flying Circus. The wing-walker in my photo is Chuck Tippett.

Its a real kick in the gut to hear that there was an accident yesterday. Glad to hear that the pilot's injuries are not life threatening and that the plane can be repaired. Do you happen to know the pilot's name or the type of aircraft? I sent a message to a friend of mine that knows the Circus folks better than I do, asking for specifics, but she has yet to get back to me.


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Jun 30, 2014 20:51 as a reply to  @ jwol's post |  #20

John, I don't know any of the pilots names or airplanes for that matter. It may have been the red or orange plane. All three blue/yellow planes and the walker plane were present at the end of the show. I believe the single wing red Barron plane was also present but I'm not certain.
The announcer said there was an engine failure and pilot had to set it down in a nearby field.


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Jul 02, 2014 16:20 |  #21

[QUOTE=cicopo;17002221​] Have the lens in Mode 2 IS, and from that shot I'd guess you needed at least 2/3 stop of +EC.

This was shot in terrible light (it's full scale) using the 100-400 and a 1D4. Settings were 1/200, AND + 1 stop of EC.

Cicopo,

You had me a bit confused with your comment abot exposure compensation (EC). I've been pondering it off and on, and couldn't understand why I couldn't figure out the purpose of EC when all one needs to do is change the aperture or shutter speed. After researched I learned that EC is not available when shooting in Manual mode, as I do, and which I assumed most were doing. That revelation begs the question; are you (and others) shooting in shutter priority?


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Jul 02, 2014 17:32 |  #22

I shoot shutter priority (Tv) and try to use an ISO that keeps me out of going f16 or higher, and use EC as necessary to get a decent exposure of the aircraft. With R/C there's often a lot of sky in the frame compared to full scale but so far I'm getting the results I want by shooting that way. Here's an example from a really bad day last season which had me shooting as much as 2 or more stops of EC. Had I not used EC the way I do it would have only been a silhouette.

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Another reason I shoot the way I do is to try to find a balance in settings that allow me to shoot planes against the sky but also to shoot them against the much darker background when they make a low pass. I know what I can correct in post re exposure differences between the different backgrounds & having 4 aircraft in the circuit most of the day I'm switching between backgrounds constantly. Others may do it differently but that's how I do it.

Edited to add EC is just playing with the aperture setting in the same way you would in manual mode but I prefer to use the rear wheel & EC as my preferred way to get the results I'm after while using any chosen shutter speed for the situation or what I hope I can pull off. R/C allows me to use faster shutter speeds because the engines run much faster BUT the speeds of the aircraft are much faster than the scale to the real thing & I'm up much closer so need to pan quite fast compared to a full scale aircraft at 500 feet distance (or even further out).

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Jul 03, 2014 18:46 |  #23

Shooting Air shwos is great, but the first ones are bad for you.
The speed you need is very, very different for each aircraft, and I found that over 200 is not good except for real fast jets, But the problem is the blur.
So last show I shot over 1000 photos and actually less than 50 where any good to me.
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Jul 09, 2014 07:46 as a reply to  @ surgeonhawkeye's post |  #24

I did much better on my second shoot. Far more difficult than I imagined, especially handheld. I had to abandon shooting manual and switch to shutter priority.
Anyway, here's my best, I believe.

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Jul 09, 2014 19:46 |  #25

Much better. I think the benefit of using Tv & EC vs full manual is that you don't need to check the meter reading once you get the set up close. Once you have a good exposure setting (using EC as needed) you just have to check the LCD as the shots get saved to see if you need a minor adjustment as the light changes.


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Jul 10, 2014 20:14 as a reply to  @ cicopo's post |  #26

Yes, much better. Now, its just a matter of more practice.


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