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Jul 10, 2014 07:27 |  #1

I have two weddings next weekend, my primary body has been a 5d iii for some time now, and I need a secondary camera for these two weddings as my usual 5d ii will be away (which was my backup)

I am on the fence between renting a 6d for 3 days (115$)

Buying a used/new 6d.

Buying a used/new 5d ii.

Buying a used/new 70d/7d

Or just going cheap and throwing a T3i or something in my bag.

Any suggestions would be appreciated! I cannot afford another 5d iii. I just need something for when I am dual wielding a 24-70 and 70-200 at these venues.

Looking for opinions.

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Jul 10, 2014 07:33 |  #2

I'm in the same boat but with a 6d as a primary, with how cheap they are i might pick up a second 6d, or just bite the bullet and get a 5d3 as a primary.

A used 5d2 is a good option too but i got my 6d for 1300 refurb, used 5d2's are still going for like 1000 and for that id just buy another 6d.


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Jul 10, 2014 08:38 |  #3

What about a 5D c? Or the 7D is now $999 at b&H - depends on how often you will need - lensrentals is my choice for renting.


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Jul 10, 2014 08:45 |  #4

Heya,

If using a 24-70 and 70-200, I wouldn't get an APS-C here, as it changes how those fields of view work and it would drastically change one of your options. You either lose the wide en of the 24-70, or you end up with a really long option on the other.

6D gets my vote.

I would suggest a simple 5D classic as a 2nd option, for cost, but it's AF accuracy is not great, and I wouldn't chance it for weddings when you can get a refurb 6D that will pay for itself in a few shoots.

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Jul 10, 2014 08:56 |  #5

Familiarity with button placement is going to come at a price with using anything else. 7D is the closest to the 5D3 with regards to where everything is. I went from the 7D to the 5D3 and can still use it without pulling the camera away.

I'd get a used 5D3. That way switching will be seamless. We can all say that "It'll be fine, I'll get used to it" however on the day it doesn't take much to miss a shot trying to change a setting on a camera that has different button placement.




  
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Jul 10, 2014 09:15 |  #6

Did you lend or repair you 5dmk2? will it be back?

In my area there's an outfit where you can rent a lens/camera and later on use that rental fee as a credit "if" you buy new gear from them. Possibly there's a shop like that in your area?

I think the 6d is a great price point for a secondary or primary camera. You'll probably have to increase your ownership of SD cards and 1/4000 SS (max ) with f/2.8 glass should be fine as well.

For my piece of mind I'd rather buy a new 6d vs refurb if this is a tool I'm purchasing for work. This is the assumption new is going to be possibly more reliable than used body with unknown history. 1yr warranty vs the short duration of time with refurb.

On print there's not a substantial difference in IQ from a 7d or even 5dc. Post processing I'd rather have the same bodies or similar sensors. Crop and full frames certainly have a different "feel" when you pushing/pulling the RAW files in post.


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Jul 10, 2014 09:24 |  #7

I'd throw the 50D in there as an option on the cheap side too.

I do ok with two very different bodies (1D3 and T2i), and I just make sure to get time on both cameras every so often to stay familiar.

Paulstw is right though -- two interfaces will come at a cost, and you will miss shots at some point.


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Jul 10, 2014 12:23 |  #8

Tough call.

5D2 ergonomics closest to 5D3, but firmware is dated, and not as good as the 6D

6D is different to the 5D3 in ergonomics, but even better in the high ISO department. Since price is so close in my neck of the woods, I'de go 6D for the better firmware (minimum shutter speed in AV mode auto ISO is how I shoot, unless I'm flashing, then full manual).

if you want to be cheap about it, then do 5Dc. Stick to FF for simplicity. You'll have the same FOV and workflow no matter what. One camera craps out, you wont have to deal with the crop factor.

if you shoot full manual all the time, best bet is a 5D2/5D3 since button familiarity is the same. For semi auto modes, 6D is much better than the 5D2.

AlanU, canon refurbs offer the same warranty as new, with an impeccable track record.


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Jul 10, 2014 12:41 |  #9

Get another 5D III.


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Jul 10, 2014 12:55 |  #10

I was in this exact same boat about 6 months ago. I shot primarily with a 5D3 and needed a second body to avoid switching lenses during parties. I opted for the 6D as it's what my budget at the time could afford and because of the stellar rebate going on then. While both bodies are great. I find myself always going to my 5d3 more because the shots when taken with the 6D just look so much different. ( i came to this conclusion borrowing my friends 24-70 ) and used the exact settings on both bodies. I still have both but would really really hope to land another 5d3 soon and just have the exact bodies backing each other up.


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Jul 10, 2014 13:29 |  #11

I've been weddings with both my 5D3 and 6D and if you get familiar enough with the button layout on the 6D, transitioning between bodies is seamless. I use this difference in ergonomics/weight to assign lens types to bodies; Wide angles on the 6D and teles on the 5D3. It makes it easier when you're on the movie and you don't have time to look down to check whats mounted on what body.

I really don't see differences in photos from both cameras. If you set them up the same way, you wont tell them apart once you're browsing through the photos on lightroom. The only difference i've noticed are the custom color temps are slightly different and the 6D tends to be a tad bit warmer, but that could be easily fixed using the WB shift.


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Jul 10, 2014 13:54 |  #12

7D and 5D3 can share batteries, which might be a plus point in a pinch and is certainly a little bit less to carry.




  
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Jul 10, 2014 18:34 |  #13

A 7d and 5d3 are a wonderful combo, and gives alot of versatility during a shoot, like a senior portrait shoot, or wedding. Ergonomics, identical batteries, etc all are great. In the less than stellar light of the reception hall, the 5D3 would reign supreme, but outdoors or in the well lit portions of the shoot, a 7D with a longer lens is great for picking out individuals in the crowd, wedding party, procession, etc, and the portraits with the 5D3.

I would put the 70-200 II on the 7D, and 24-70 on the 5d3, with the 50 1.4 and 100L macro in the bag for other creative shots during the day.


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Jul 11, 2014 09:19 |  #14

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Heya,

If using a 24-70 and 70-200, I wouldn't get an APS-C here, as it changes how those fields of view work and it would drastically change one of your options. You either lose the wide en of the 24-70, or you end up with a really long option on the other.

6D gets my vote.

I would suggest a simple 5D classic as a 2nd option, for cost, but it's AF accuracy is not great, and I wouldn't chance it for weddings when you can get a refurb 6D that will pay for itself in a few shoots.

Very best,


I agree. This same lens problem is one of my holdups on getting a 5D III. I also feel like I would need a 24-70 to be the near equivalent of my 17-55 on the 7D. I think that is a perfect focal length for many, many circumstances. So I would not only have the expense of the 5D3, but also the 24-70 2.8 expense too.


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Jul 11, 2014 11:25 as a reply to  @ guntoter's post |  #15

Vaporize would only lose about 30mm on the wide end with a 24-70 on a FF and 70-200 on an APS-C, but gain about 120mm on the long end. When shooting weddings, I can see having 24-70, 100, and 112-320 equivalency being very useful, while also having a backup.

The only way I would agree having 2 different FFs with different ergos would be to put a 1.4x TC on the secondary FF with the 70-200. Then you are back to the advantanges I list above, while having 2 FFs. Having something longer than 200mm is vitally important in big weddings, especially those outside, and also in large reception halls.

I needed something longer than 200mm for these shots, but had to crop.

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The scene was this, and my positioning was precarious as it was, and I wasn't even the hired photographer. I just decided to pull out my 3 day old 5D3 to help because the hired photographer was using a bridge camera.

IMAGE: http://gerberphotos.smugmug.com/Engagements-and-Weddings/Corey-and-Haleigh-Wedding/i-T7Z7KtC/1/XL/5P1B0465-XL.jpg

I am not a wedding photographer at all (wouldn't mind getting into that space), so somebody that does do weddings would probably appreciate all the different positioning challenges, and thus appreciate a bit more focal range for flexibility.

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