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Canon 300mm f2.8 IS ver I or Sigma 120-300mm f2.8 OS Sports

 
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Jul 06, 2014 23:09 |  #1

Mainly for high school sports with 5dmk3. I used to have 300mm f2.8 IS ver I and it was very nice but then I had two bodies and needed 70-200mm f2.8 on the 2nd camera. With sigma zoom, I can hopefully get with one camera/lens making it lighter for me. Price wise used canon prime goes for almost same as brand new sigma zoom. Sigma zoom AF in AI servo still scares me. Never had issues with canon primes but did with sigma non OS zoom (120-300mm f2.8 non OS) on 1dmk2.

Another option is 120-300mm f2.8 OS non sports model which I think I can pickup easily if I sell my 70-200mm f2.8 IS II and exchange canon 24-70mm f2.8 II zoom with tamron 24-70 VC model. Come to think I haven't used my 24-70mm f2.8 II at all as I like 35L and 35mm f1.4 over it for indoor shots and outdoors for me longer focal lengths work better.


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Jul 07, 2014 01:24 |  #2

Since you're in the Bay Area too, i'll exchange you my 24-70v1 for the v2 for the price of the tamron ;)


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Jul 07, 2014 10:22 as a reply to  @ panicatnabisco's post |  #3

Hello bobbyz,

I used to own the Sigma 120-300 f2.8 sport and used it with my 5d mark III.Mainly for motorsports.

I can say that it is a very nice lens.Excellent sharpness.Takes a 1.4x TC very well.

Never had any issues with focus.But if you do have front/back focus issues,you can microfocus adjust at 4 different focal lengths and 4 distances for each focal length.For a total of 16 microfocus adjust points.I don't know if it was just my copy or if it was Sigma's new quality control protocols,but my copy required no microfocus adjustment at all.

My only gripe about the lens is that it is very heavy.Not a big deal if you're on a monopod most of the time.It is hand holdable.but not ideal for long periods of time.

I have since sold it for 300mm f2.8 II.Which is noticeably sharper(which is to be expected for the price)I would say the Sigma will get you about 90% of the way there though.And the ability to zoom can offset the extra sharpness of the Canon prime.

The Sigma sport and the Canon 300mm f2.8 Ver.1 would probably be a little closer in terms of sharpness.Perhaps a edge to the Canon,but I have no experience with the ver.1 so I can't say for sure.

Also the Sigma's focus speed was a little slow,especially with the default speed setting.But you can change that with the USB dock to fast focus speed,which is the setting I left it on.But I have read that the latest firmware released by Sigma has remedied that to a large extent.

Overall,the Sigma sport is an excellent choice,especially if your looking for a one lens solution for high school sports.It is heavy though.But if that is not a problem,I have no problem recommending it.

I ultimately went with the Canon prime.It fits my needs a little better.(takes TC's better for the reach I need for motorsports)Plus I've always wanted this lens.

I hope this is helpful.Good luck with your decision.

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Jul 07, 2014 10:48 |  #4

Thanks Robert.


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Jul 07, 2014 12:52 |  #5

I had the Sigma 120-300 OS non-sports lens. I loved it. I only sold it as I found a good deal on a 400 DO that I was dying to own at some point, and needed reach more than f/2.8.

Two considerations. It's heavy, and at least the non-sports one has a reputation for breaking. For what you plan to use it for, and assuming you have a monopod to use, if I were you I'd consider the 120-300 OS Sports model. Maybe find a refurb one on Sigma's website, something with a warranty that you can exercise if you need to in the future.

I'm always considering that lens as well. I even recently sold my 70-200 II for the Tamron version to help offset the cost of a new lens, possibly the big Sigma. Going to wait and see what's announced at Photokina before I decide for sure.




  
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Jul 07, 2014 16:09 as a reply to  @ gocolts's post |  #6

Bobby,
I have the 120-300 OS non sport and a Canon 400 f/2.8 IS (Similar in nature to the 300 prime) I believe the two are different tools. It is hard to beat a prime for field sports, football and soccer, but the Sigma shines in baseball, basketball(some courts), and volleyball for me. I never really missed shots to the point were I said this lens has to go. Did I miss some, yes, but I did with the prime as well. The zoom is awesome and it does make it to were you don't need to bodies.


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Jul 07, 2014 22:33 |  #7

I use the 120-300 S and love it! Lightning fast AF, as good as you will get this side of the big expensive tele's. It is heavy, but the zoom is awesome, and a pleasure to shoot with.


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Jul 08, 2014 12:15 |  #8

bobbyz wrote in post #17015736 (external link)
Mainly for high school sports with 5dmk3. I used to have 300mm f2.8 IS ver I and it was very nice but then I had two bodies and needed 70-200mm f2.8 on the 2nd camera. With sigma zoom, I can hopefully get with one camera/lens making it lighter for me. Price wise used canon prime goes for almost same as brand new sigma zoom. Sigma zoom AF in AI servo still scares me. Never had issues with canon primes but did with sigma non OS zoom (120-300mm f2.8 non OS) on 1dmk2.

Another option is 120-300mm f2.8 OS non sports model which I think I can pickup easily if I sell my 70-200mm f2.8 IS II and exchange canon 24-70mm f2.8 II zoom with tamron 24-70 VC model. Come to think I haven't used my 24-70mm f2.8 II at all as I like 35L and 35mm f1.4 over it for indoor shots and outdoors for me longer focal lengths work better.

I can only comment on the oldest sigma 120-300 pre-OS, pre-Sport. Compared to the 300 2.8 IS it was more like f/3.0 and 280mm. It had pretty fast focus but, all the same, couldn't keep up with the Canon and the focus just didn't seem to be as precise either, noticeably more misses shooting sports. Sharpness wasn't bad, but the Canon plus 1.4x TC was still a trace better form what I recall though. When people had the choice of which to grab to shoot with, almost everyone grabbed the Canon despite losing the ability to zoom (hand-held zooming with the sigma was awkward anyway, although fine if restricted to a monopod). Canon all the way, all day and night for me.

That said the newer versions use totally new optics and AF logic so my story might have no bearing on the ones you are looking at most, although maybe the non-OS you are looking at is the same? (unless it's a slightly newer one too).

Although speaking of the new Sigmas, I believe they are quite the beasts, and even heavier than the Canon, supposedly enough to feel the difference. If you like to shoot hand-held when you can that might also be a noticeable bonus for the Canon.

It is true, that without a second body you can miss some close shots for football and soccer with the prime, but I'd still rather the Canon prime over the Sigma version I used. I find that far and away more of my best soccer and football shots came from the super-tele vs the 70-200 when I was shooting with two bodies anyway so the zoom wasn't something that would've been as missed as thought (although certainly it is possible, especially in football, to miss something big in the near endzone or immediate sideline with a big prime only and no 70-200 or 24-70). For basketball the Sigma is too long at the short end to sit under the basket, far corner at best plus it's too heavy and unwieldy as a main basketball lens, just something to nab for the far basket now and then perhaps.




  
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Jul 08, 2014 16:57 |  #9

i don't think he's considering the non OS 120-300mm...it sounds like he's already had experience with it...i think the OS, and Sport are entirely different beasts...i'm 90% sure i'm grabbing one of those two...just can't decide if the Sport is worth pretty much the extra $1,200 or so from buying a used OS to a new Sport, since the Sport is hard to find used.


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Jul 08, 2014 17:25 |  #10

Yup, had bad experience with 120-300mm non OS. It was as sharp as my canon 300mm f2.8 IS ver I but real slow to AF in AI servo mode where I could not track my wife walking down the street.

The OS vs Sports is $1500 difference. Sports does allow tuning with the dock which I already have. Not sure about the OS model. Wish there was some rebate on the Sports model.


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Jul 08, 2014 17:32 |  #11

Heya,

I'd take the zoom over the prime for sports.

IS does nothing for sports here other than stabilize the viewfinder. I'd rather have the ability to back up the zoom for composition purposes as the action gets closer. In a crowd, you can't go running backwards. On a sideline you can't go back into the stands. Having optimal composition on only the inner and outter field arc from your view point would be limiting.

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Jul 13, 2014 13:20 |  #12

well i just bit the bullet, and sprung for the sport version...probably not my most logical choice money wise...but i'm not a person that really buys and sells lenses much...so i figure i'll most likely have it for a long haul

not sure where you are in the bay area bobby, but i'm in san rafael


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Jul 13, 2014 16:28 |  #13

DreDaze wrote in post #17029152 (external link)
well i just bit the bullet, and sprung for the sport version...probably not my most logical choice money wise...but i'm not a person that really buys and sells lenses much...so i figure i'll most likely have it for a long haul

not sure where you are in the bay area bobby, but i'm in san rafael

Let me know when you get the lens. I am in East Bay but wouldn't mind driving up there to check it out.


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Jul 13, 2014 16:42 |  #14

How about the 300 f2.8 non IS Bobby? My brother in law was thinking of selling his. :)


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Jul 13, 2014 16:45 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #15

Those that have the Sport 120-300. There is a new firmware update for the lens that came out a few weeks ago.




  
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