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Jul 21, 2014 19:30 |  #61

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Never limit yourself by brand loyalty; these are just tools and it suits your needs, then go for it

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Jul 21, 2014 19:33 |  #62

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If you are a landscape shooter, Canon has zero advantage over an A7r camera. Not only do you get to use all your existing lenses, you have a lighter camera that produces great images at a higher resolution.

A no brainer for Canon landscape shooters.

Again, I said it's only an advantage "if" you're a landscape shooter. And I stand by that... I also stand by what I said about it being not as big of a deal as most people make it out to be ;)


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Jul 21, 2014 19:45 |  #63

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17046994 (external link)
Again, I said it's only an advantage "if" you're a landscape shooter. And I stand by that... I also stand by what I said about it being not as big of a deal as most people make it out to be ;)

Or if you do find the need to crop the image very much, especially when shooting portraits. Whether one likes to admit it or not, even the best photographers don't get the composition exactly right sooc every time. That's where the 36mp Sony sensor has all Canon sensors beat.


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Jul 21, 2014 19:52 |  #64

Thorrulz wrote in post #17047021 (external link)
Or if you do find the need to crop the image very much, especially when shooting portraits. Whether one likes to admit it or not, even the best photographers don't get the composition exactly right sooc every time. That's where the 36mp Sony sensor has all Canon sensors beat.

True, I believe I even stated earlier that the resolution of my friend's D800 impressed me much more than the DR. Even still though, I've never (and I mean never) felt restricted by my 6D's resolution. This shot was a pretty heavy crop, I was shooting with my Yashica ML 50mm f1.4 from the opposite side of the street, I think at f2

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I'm pretty sure this is the most heavily cropped image I have from my 6D, it was from over a year ago though so I don't have this file on my new computer to show the original, but I'll see if I can find it if I remember later :lol: I just remember being really surprised it retained so much detail post-crop.

I'm sure for wedding or event shooters the resolution could be worth it's weight in gold at times though.

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Jul 21, 2014 19:59 |  #65

Thorrulz wrote in post #17047021 (external link)
Or if you do find the need to crop the image very much, especially when shooting portraits. Whether one likes to admit it or not, even the best photographers don't get the composition exactly right sooc every time. That's where the 36mp Sony sensor has all Canon sensors beat.

i remember your lovely child photo with the 7D and the 135L
and that a crop canon body not FF
This one (external link)


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Jul 21, 2014 20:01 |  #66

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Jul 21, 2014 20:05 |  #67

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17046994 (external link)
Again, I said it's only an advantage "if" you're a landscape shooter. And I stand by that... I also stand by what I said about it being not as big of a deal as most people make it out to be ;)

correction, it's only an advantage if you're a dedicated landscape photographer, and it's not much of an advantage if you cant tell the difference on print. @ smaller 12x18's, I cant even decipher between the 5Dc and 6D. It would take a very large print for the differences to be noteworthy, but at that point, I'de likely be stitching. I can kind of tell when I will be making a shot for large prints. You'll want to stitch at that point, not only for sharpness, but for full tonality.

I'm sure around 24x36 prints, there will be a visible difference between the prints, and If I were to print that size on a regular basis, I'de get the A7r. If I really cared for the pixel density for reach limited situations, I have the EOS-M on standby, although it's nearly permanantly on standby.


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Jul 21, 2014 21:42 |  #68
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Charlie wrote in post #17047090 (external link)
correction, it's only an advantage if you're a dedicated landscape photographer, and it's not much of an advantage if you cant tell the difference on print. @ smaller 12x18's, I cant even decipher between the 5Dc and 6D. It would take a very large print for the differences to be noteworthy, but at that point, I'de likely be stitching. I can kind of tell when I will be making a shot for large prints. You'll want to stitch at that point, not only for sharpness, but for full tonality.

I'm sure around 24x36 prints, there will be a visible difference between the prints, and If I were to print that size on a regular basis, I'de get the A7r. If I really cared for the pixel density for reach limited situations, I have the EOS-M on standby, although it's nearly permanantly on standby.

It's not only the resolution difference, but more importantly, the quality of the image at low ISO is outstanding. The dynamic range you can tweak out of the image is amazing...all with very little to zero noise. That is something Canon cannot compete with today...not even the 6D.

I own and use both a 5D2 and A7R and for prints greater than 16x20, the extra resolution of the A7R becomes noticeable...especiall​y if you ever have to crop.

Stitching is fine for some photos, but when things are moving, stitching becomes a major pain. Many of my exposures are upwards of 30 seconds to several minutes and there is no way to stitch when you get into those ranges of exposures as too much has changed between shots.

There is no substitute for more, very nice pixels. There are work arounds for some situations...but no direct substitute.




  
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Jul 21, 2014 22:44 |  #69

Hogloff wrote in post #17047278 (external link)
It's not only the resolution difference, but more importantly, the quality of the image at low ISO is outstanding. The dynamic range you can tweak out of the image is amazing...all with very little to zero noise. That is something Canon cannot compete with today...not even the 6D.

I own and use both a 5D2 and A7R and for prints greater than 16x20, the extra resolution of the A7R becomes noticeable...especiall​y if you ever have to crop.

Stitching is fine for some photos, but when things are moving, stitching becomes a major pain. Many of my exposures are upwards of 30 seconds to several minutes and there is no way to stitch when you get into those ranges of exposures as too much has changed between shots.

There is no substitute for more, very nice pixels. There are work arounds for some situations...but no direct substitute.

As I posted earlier, most users will never need more RAW manipulation than what the 6D offers...

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17044519 (external link)
Have you tried the 6D yet? The DR difference between the 7D and 6D is plenty imo... pulling shadows on Canon's 18mp sensor is a daunting task, not the case for the 6D.

I personally can't imagine needing to pull the shadows much more than this... this isn't a great shot, but it's the only one I can really think of where I pushed the shadows a good margin in recent memory (which further proves my point of it not being that useful in real life imo)

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Also note that I underexposed this shot to begin with, something any photographer should try not to do.

But if it works for you, great, I just don't think it's anywhere near jumping systems over. And for me there are too many other little faults that add up for me with the A7r, I'm even less compelled to switch to a D800. I did consider the A7 strongly when it came out, but the reality is that the 6D does everything I need it to and more, so why switch? I also feel that the 6D gives me a lot more flexibility if my needs change (needing a fast AF lens for example).


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Jul 21, 2014 22:47 |  #70

Hogloff wrote in post #17047278 (external link)
It's not only the resolution difference, but more importantly, the quality of the image at low ISO is outstanding. The dynamic range you can tweak out of the image is amazing...all with very little to zero noise. That is something Canon cannot compete with today...not even the 6D.

I own and use both a 5D2 and A7R and for prints greater than 16x20, the extra resolution of the A7R becomes noticeable...especiall​y if you ever have to crop.

Stitching is fine for some photos, but when things are moving, stitching becomes a major pain. Many of my exposures are upwards of 30 seconds to several minutes and there is no way to stitch when you get into those ranges of exposures as too much has changed between shots.

There is no substitute for more, very nice pixels. There are work arounds for some situations...but no direct substitute.

I dont think the low iso difference with compared to the 6D is mind blowingly different at all. The issue may be a half stop to a full stop difference if pulled very hard. The issue is when pulling shadows and exposure so hard is that you start to lose fine details, regardless of how well the sensor handles pulling.

here's an example of the 6D's low iso pulling:
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the A7r can pull even harder, but there's a penalty pulling that hard with any camera. You lose some detail, contrast, and color. Best if you just blend it properly.


as for resolution.... it's there, 50% more pixels, but doesnt result in 50% more sharpness, not close really. It's certainly an edge when it comes to large prints.

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Jul 21, 2014 22:52 |  #71

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I dont think the low iso difference with compared to the 6D is mind blowingly different at all. The issue may be a half stop to a full stop difference if pulled very hard. The issue is when pulling shadows and exposure so hard is that you start to lose fine details, regardless of how well the sensor handles pulling.

the A7r can pull even harder, but there's a penalty pulling that hard with any camera. You lose some detail, contrast, and color. Best if you just blend it properly.


as for resolution.... it's there, 50% more pixels, but doesnt result in 50% more sharpness, not close really. It's certainly an edge when it comes to large prints.

Agreed. You also run into the issue that the sensor out resolves most lenses, so in order to take full advantage of the sensor you've got to get expensive and often heavy lenses, which in my mind sort of defeats the purpose of a camera like the A7r. I'll take my tiny and light Fuji over a small and light A7 body with a giant brick of a lens on it any day.


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Jul 22, 2014 04:28 |  #72

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its your money, go for what you like.

if you have always driven chevy and never tried anything else, you are missing out..

I switched from Chevy to Honda a long time ago. I really was missing out back then...


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Jul 22, 2014 08:15 |  #73

moltengold wrote in post #17047066 (external link)
i remember your lovely child photo with the 7D and the 135L
and that a crop canon body not FF
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Thanks, that's still one of my favorite photos I've been lucky to capture over the years. I really liked the 7D/135L combo and still wished I had it occasionally.


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Jul 22, 2014 08:59 |  #74
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17047369 (external link)
Agreed. You also run into the issue that the sensor out resolves most lenses, so in order to take full advantage of the sensor you've got to get expensive and often heavy lenses, which in my mind sort of defeats the purpose of a camera like the A7r. I'll take my tiny and light Fuji over a small and light A7 body with a giant brick of a lens on it any day.

Really depends what you shoot and how large you print. My typical print size is 24x30 and larger sold to new home staging customers...so I will endure that big brick you talk about to get the image. Sure...if you shoot to post on Facebook or print 8x10 photos, you can get by with just about any camera these days.

And yes, there is a dynamic range difference between the 6d and A7r, enough so just to get that shot which would not be possible with the 6d without blending or GND filters, neither which are without their issues.

If you don't need the extra dynamic range or extra pixels...by all means the 6d is a great camera, but please don't think there is not a definite advantage to the A7r if used properly.




  
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Jul 22, 2014 09:28 |  #75

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I switched from Chevy to Honda a long time ago. I really was missing out back then...

I wouldn't admit that :lol:


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