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Canon 5D Mark III ergonomic vs Nikon D810

 
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Jul 24, 2014 01:55 |  #31

Well,in what video area 5D Mark III outperform (or slightly better) Nikon D810 ?


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Jul 24, 2014 04:51 |  #32

the flying moose wrote in post #17052377 (external link)
I have never held a d810 but personally for me, I have never picked up a Nikon that felt good in my hands. I am not knocking the cameras in any way but they way they felt in my hands was awkward and cumbersome. I much prefer the feel of Canon. You need to put both cameras in your hands to figure out which feels better for you.

Same here. A few years ago I was considering a move to Nikon (D7000), but as soon as I held a few Nikon cameras in my hands, my mind was made up. No Nikon for me. Nikon cameras feel like a cactus in my hand (i.e. very uncomfortable). I also hate the fact that on a Nikon DSLR you can't change ISO with your eye against the viewfinder and your left hand supporting the lens and that they don't have cameras with crosstype AF points at the sides.


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Jul 24, 2014 05:31 |  #33

Not true jocau;
You can change ISO on Nikon cameras with your eye on the viewfinder (without pushing a knob - you can change it just with back dial)

And again, not true jocau;
Canon cameras crosstype AF points at the sides are not really a cross type. Do some research, Google can answer you.

However; I must agree with you about grips. Canon cameras sits better in hands.


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Jul 24, 2014 07:34 as a reply to  @ Mathmans's post |  #34

Unless you have some prove that Canon is lying about their crosstype AF points, I consider your answer as bollocks.


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Jul 24, 2014 07:47 |  #35

Mathmans wrote in post #17052541 (external link)
...Canon cameras crosstype AF points at the sides are not really a cross type. Do some research, Google can answer you. ...
jocau wrote in post #17052705 (external link)
Unless you have some prove that Canon is lying about their crosstype AF points, I consider your answer as bollocks.

I would like to see the a link or two as well as I did Google and didn't find anything. Maybe supply the search string to use. From what I can see on Canons site, 21 points are cross type and no where does it state that they are limited cross type. 5 points are high precision cross type as well.
http://www.learn.usa.c​anon.com …n_crosstype_art​icle.shtml (external link)


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Jul 24, 2014 09:58 |  #36

Here you go; it will do for a start:

http://www.bobatkins.c​om …kIII_hands-on_review.html (external link)

http://imagesandcamera​s.com …n-eos-6d-focusing-pattern (external link)

http://photographylife​.com …detection-autofocus-works (external link)
"...For example, the Canon 1DX and the Canon 5D Mark III have a whopping 61 focus points, 41 of which are cross-type..."

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/1dx-review/ (external link)


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Jul 24, 2014 10:07 |  #37

Here is another one. There's plenty of information on the net.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …-Autofocus-Explained.aspx (external link)

"...in that all the points operate as cross-type with any Canon lens, but the trade off is lower accuracy than f/2.8 lines. Some cross-type points only function as cross-type points when used with lenses that have a sufficiently wide maximum aperture, and if used with a lens with a narrower max aperture, they function as single line points only (usually vertical line sensors). This is a partial workaround to the trade-off mentioned above. A cross-type sensor with an f/2.8-sensitive horizontal line and an f/5.6-sensitive vertical line will function as a cross-type sensor with an f/2.8 or faster lens, but if you use a slower lens, you'll still have a functional AF point (but with only single-line orientation). .."


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Jul 24, 2014 10:48 |  #38

I think your confusing cross points and high precision cross points. Canon has never claimed that all cross points are high precision cross points and in none of the articles does it say that the cross points does not function as a cross point (that I can see). There are f/2.8 points (high precision) and f/5.6 points (normal points). It's always been like this.


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Jul 24, 2014 10:49 as a reply to  @ Mathmans's post |  #39

Well, I already knew that you need certain lenses to fully enjoy all crosstype AF points on the 5D3. But that doesn't make them "not really crosstype AF points" to me. A Formula One car is a Formula One car whether you put a racing driver in it or just some kid who just got his driver's license.

From Dpreview (external link):

1) F/2.8 or brighter lens:

IMAGE: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/images/AF/AF-points1-001.jpg

2) F/2.8-F4 lens:

IMAGE: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/images/AF/AF-points2-001.jpg

3) F/5.6 or brighter lens:

IMAGE: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/images/AF/AF-points3-001.jpg

So basically if you've got a rather slow F/4 lens, you've got 20 crosstype AF points at the sides at your disposal (minus the possible exceptions listed in the 5D3 manual).

And again I quote from Dpreview (external link):

When used with lenses with a maximum aperture of F5.6 or brighter, the 5D Mark III is unmatched in terms of the number of cross type points it offers (21). Use an F4 or brighter lens and the advantage becomes even greater, with the camera gaining another 20 cross-type points that are further out from the center of the frame (Nikon's system only features cross-type sensors near the middle of the frame). Fit an F2.8 or brighter lens and the five central double-cross-type sensors become available.


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Jul 24, 2014 12:14 |  #40

As I understand 7D has all cross type focusing points but 5DIII does not as stated in one of the links above. I don't think this is a problem.
I also have no problems with my Nikon focusing system despite only 15 points are cross type. But I still don't understand why can't they make them all cross type.


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Jul 24, 2014 12:24 |  #41

Oh, I forgot to give a comment about formula cars. Yes; they sure are all formula one cars but some of them are "more formula one" then others. I bet Schumacher wouldn't be that good without "Cavallino rampante" if you know what I mean. ;)


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Jul 24, 2014 13:38 |  #42

Beard Man wrote in post #17052187 (external link)
OK,here is (http://www.dxomark.com …on-D600___270_795_388_834 (external link)) Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM versus Nikkor AF-S Nikkor 85mm f/1.4G
Body on Canon is 5D Mark III and on Nikon Nikon D600,and Nikon have more resolution!And its not even D810 !

The 85 1.4G is slightly sharper than the 85 1.2L. However, note that DXO says the 85 1.4G has less CA and then look at the reality (external link).

Or, as another example, you can compare the new Nikkor 70-200 F4G to the old Canon 70-200 F4 IS. DxO gives the Nikkor a 19 for sharpness and the Canon a 15 for sharpness (external link) but if we actually look at sample images of the lenses (70mm (external link) & 200mm (external link)) then well what do you know, the Canon's actually noticeably sharper.

The lesson at the end of the day is that DxO's actual measurements are usually fine but their comparative scores are meaningless garbage.


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Jul 24, 2014 13:54 |  #43

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So here's the bottom line.

You will get magazine and publication quality shots with the Canon. Same with the Nikon. And the highest discriminating quality shots come from Hasselblads. So don't get too concerned with splitting hairs over marginal image improvements of one camera over the other unless you're talking about a Hassleblad (which 35mm can't compete with). As an industry professional, I can tell you that images shot with Canon pass scrutiny with art directors just as easily as images taken with a Nikon. And in the end, these are the shots you see in print and you marvel at when it's your favorite celebrity or a picture of a martini glass and bottle of Grey Goose vodka. So at the end of the day, after all the tests and reviews, all of us insiders will tell you that it doesn't matter much in the end between the two because they both pretty much look about the same. (Honestly, if you're curious why I shoot Canon, my answer is I shoot with Canon because it was the first body I bought back in 1997 and I just never bothered to change... And you'll find that is the same answer you'll receive from all of us.) Just buy the body that feels right. I think you know which one that is already, so just go out and get it already!!

DING DING DING! We have a winner!




  
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Jul 24, 2014 14:52 |  #44

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DING DING DING! We have a winner!

But...but...but.... This is an equipment talk forum. We must dissect and talk endlessly about even the smallest advantage else what are we going to talk about. ;)


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Jul 24, 2014 20:13 |  #45

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DING DING DING! We have a winner!

He hasn't answered lately, so I think he bought the body that felt best in his hand.




  
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