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Jul 25, 2014 06:22 |  #166

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Canon not only makes sensors.
They also design, build and sell fabrication equipment to produce sensors.

So while I do think the management did some incorrect decision about how long to hold onto the older technologies, they are a significant force to recon with...

Even there they have pretty much fallen off the map as a player. This story was on our local news a few months back and I found this interesting article about their attempted comback.
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Jul 25, 2014 07:08 |  #167
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I chuckle every time anyone mentions the reason they are with Canon and mention the 85L, the 17tse and the super teles...and then I see in their profile they have a kit lens, and a nifty fifty.




  
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Jul 25, 2014 08:35 |  #168

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I chuckle every time anyone mentions the reason they are with Canon and mention the 85L, the 17tse and the super teles...and then I see in their profile they have a kit lens, and a nifty fifty.

bw!:lol:


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Jul 25, 2014 09:07 as a reply to  @ post 17054787 |  #169

. Camera bodies change frequently and one year Nikon is better, but then Canon the next:
With Canon going it solo in the development of their sensors/bodies/lens it may prove to be their eventual undoing. I believe the Nikon/Sony "alliance" is just the beginning and everyone should expect more of the same as other competitors begin to follow suit. Cultivating and combining individual ideas and resources into a finished product that is greater than the sum of its parts is the future of the manufacturing process. Canons willingness or stubborness, depending on how you view it to go it alone is going against the grain of what many companies are doing to stay competitive in today's market. Time will tell whethor or not Canon is a visionary company or becomes a footnote in the industry.]

I don't think canon are frightened to use other manufacturers sensors if it gives them a better camera, they've done it in the past along with Nikon. In 1995 Canon and Nikon made dslrs using Kodak sensors.
I have read that canon prefers to design its own sensors as they are better able to produce a sensor/processor package than if they buy a 3rd party sensor and marry it to their digic processors. that may well be the case and why they've not opted for the sony and we don't know that they aren't developing something new.

to the op, buy what you like , its your money......and enjoy it.


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Jul 25, 2014 09:26 |  #170

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I chuckle every time anyone mentions the reason they are with Canon and mention the 85L, the 17tse and the super teles...and then I see in their profile they have a kit lens, and a nifty fifty.

Agree, but they are not exactly the cheapest. The 17 TS-E is manual focus only and you usually buy it if you're in the business of creating shots that require frequent use of it. Photography is not a lucrative business to be in. Super teles are usually rented or provided by your employer if you do it professionally. Either Nikon or canon, these kinds of lenses don't end up in most people's gear list due to cost. So they basically shouldn't use it as a reason. I mentioned in my previous post about the 17 TS-E, I don't have one, but it is next in my list. Cost is not an issue for me, but having the amount of gear I currently have, I struggle deciding if I need more and how much use will I get from having it. As a hobbyist, I don't want to be wheeling around a pelican case everywhere I go. This is my dilemma. Also a reason why mirrorless systems are the future! Same creative capabilities in a smaller package.

I find it funny when people in general defend the brand they own, either to justify their purchase or just because they purchase based on numbers and measurebate over them. What's even worse is when they hang out in another manufacturers forum and try to convince others to switch and further justify their purchase.


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Jul 25, 2014 12:47 |  #171

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What's even worse is when they hang out in another manufacturers forum and try to convince others to switch and further justify their purchase.

Remember that POTN is moving away from being a Canon forum and into being a generic photography forum. And with lots of people reading threads from the "New Posts" selection, it isn't always obvious what subforum the thread actually belongs to.

While I do feel it's quite a bit funny how people feel a need to defend their gear (and a number of threads have been written about that specific subject), I also find it quite a bit funny when people respond to such posts showing exactly how hurt they feel - which obviously means that they too feel this urge to defend their gear.


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Jul 25, 2014 13:25 |  #172

pwm2 wrote in post #17055554 (external link)
Remember that POTN is moving away from being a Canon forum and into being a generic photography forum. And with lots of people reading threads from the "New Posts" selection, it isn't always obvious what subforum the thread actually belongs to.

While I do feel it's quite a bit funny how people feel a need to defend their gear (and a number of threads have been written about that specific subject), I also find it quite a bit funny when people respond to such posts showing exactly how hurt they feel - which obviously means that they too feel this urge to defend their gear.

I notice the majority of those defending spend more time doing exactly that than taking pictures ;) :lol:


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Jul 25, 2014 13:30 |  #173

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I notice the majority of those defending spend more time doing exactly that than taking pictures ;) :lol:

You could upgrade that statement to "I notice the majority of people making lots of posts on this forum spends more time doing exactly that than taking pictures".

But then again - the day has 24 hours, and lots of stuff can be done in-between too.

It's just that forums are a suitable platform for debates. So it's expected to be lots of debates. It's just the "you should switch" debates I feel a bit brain-dead, since I can't see why person A should feel a need to try to convince person B that person B needs to switch their OS/phone/camera/car/..​. to some other brand. The logical thing would be to just figure out "what works well for me?" without worrying too much about other people making different choices.


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Jul 25, 2014 14:56 |  #174

Hogloff wrote in post #17054960 (external link)
I chuckle every time anyone mentions the reason they are with Canon and mention the 85L, the 17tse and the super teles...and then I see in their profile they have a kit lens, and a nifty fifty.

That's why I switched. Canon makes great glass with L designation at 1.4 and 1.2... and just mediocre cost effective stuff at f/2. And the whole telephoto sports thing with a 1d body is awesome.

But I wanted a more compact system with great compact primes, and they're just not quite there.

Maybe the fact that 35/2 IS came out changed it around a bit, but 50 is still not there. 28 is still not there.


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Jul 25, 2014 17:42 |  #175

I have to say I used to love coming on here as it was so informative with regards to technique, settings etc. Good feedback could be obtained on images presented, but that has slowly declined.

This forum is now filled with posts along the lines of should I buy a 300mm f2.8 or get a nifty fifty, or im thinking of getting a 70d but should I buy a 1dx.

Canon and Nikon make great cameras, they work far better than any camera could have done when I started out 45 years ago, I just don't get this need to ask "which one" without first analysing :-
1/ personal needs, 2/ personal budget, 3/ personal desire.

Do people walk down the street and go up to a complete stranger and say ive got £3 or $5 and say im hungry, should I go to macdonalds or burger king?.....I don't get it.

I guess the data provided by the internet is easy to research rather than going out and trying, but real world trying would probably end up with a better purchase as its the individuals who make the choice and not just a concensus of opinions by those who may be biased. This is probably compounded by the lack of local salesrooms and by buying cheap from internet based warehouses.

This forum needs to get back to photography and all the pleasures that photography can give, rather than the endless posts on retailing and brand competitiveness.

To the op, go buy a Nikon, if it allows you to take great pictures and you enjoy using it, it will be money well spent, show the images here....and I would say the same to all canon users. Lets get back to images, how we captured them, rather than with what we used

Now, im thinking of buying a 400m f2.8 to fit to my mirrorless camera using an adaptor, should I instead buy a 35mm lens, or maybe get a 5d mk3 :)


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Jul 28, 2014 02:06 |  #176

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Reasons to stick with Canon.


2. Lenses - Look at the available Nikon / Nikor lenses with that of Canon. You do not have the holy grail of lenses 35mm f1.4, 50mm f1.2, 85mm f1.2, and 135mm f2.

Yes,Nikon have a 35mm
Nikon have a 58mm
Nikon also have 85mm (no big difference between 1.2 and 1.4,bokeh is same)
And of course Nikon have a 135mm


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Jul 28, 2014 02:10 |  #177

sf_loft wrote in post #17054172 (external link)
Reasons to stick with Canon.


4. Video - if you shoot video, Nikon had to try multiple times to get their video quality to look like Canon's first video capable DSLR. Better video ISO sensitivity and quality.

Nikon D810 video is a MUCH better than Canon's,just watch comparison between D810 an 5D Mark III on You Tube - http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=PDrUlZYvgdE (external link)


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Jul 28, 2014 02:16 |  #178

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I went with Canon purely for their lens lineup.

Just for lens lineup? What about legendary Nikkor lens? Gold ring quality ! Sharpness ! Nikkor reputations lens is always quality and sharpness !

Nikon also make a more reliable camera/lenses !

Canon guys very often use Canon Customer Service BECAUSE their cameras/lenses is NOT very reliable compared to Nikon !

With Nikon you probably forget about customer service !


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Jul 28, 2014 02:26 |  #179

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3. Street cred. :) - See a red ring around your lenses and you get respect from other photographers. I can't tell a Nikor lens from a Tamron. Not that there's anything wrong with Tamron.


Hahahahahaha !!!

Take a time and look at Craigslist,a LOT of 24-105mm L for sale ! Yeah,a chip red ring,red ring,red ring........:(:rolleyes:


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Jul 28, 2014 02:28 |  #180

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Just for lens lineup? What about legendary Nikkor lens? Gold ring quality ! Sharpness ! Nikkor reputations lens is always quality and sharpness !

Nikon also make a more reliable camera/lenses !

Canon guys very often use Canon Customer Service BECAUSE their cameras/lenses is NOT very reliable compared to Nikon !

With Nikon you probably forget about customer service !

Maybe you should remember to not troll so much.

Or prepare and present some actual statistics that backs your claims - and then obviously statistics that takes into account that Canon sells more gear and so can have more cameras/lenses serviced while still having the same percentage of sold units needing service.


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