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Jul 28, 2014 15:27 |  #1

Hello, i'm here with theme which really worries me. I was using since ever, before DLSR's it was point'n'shoot camers, then it was Canon 500d, then 5dmk2, and now 6d.

Things which i take in notice in cameras:

- resolution (i love to look at 1:1 images, look at details)
- SNR, have situations where i have to shoot at 6400iso and higher
- dynamic range, i don't like HDR, and have to underxpose images some times, to save bright arear (for example sky in forest)

And if i look at Nikon 610 and 810 they have just enormous advantage in these areas if we compare them to 6d and 5dmk3:

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+16mp in resolution, +3stops in dynamic range, and some better details in lowlight.

If money is not a problem, is there any good reson to stay on canon?

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Jul 28, 2014 15:31 |  #2

Because in most cases the graph numbers are not worth the paper they are printed on.


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Jul 28, 2014 15:32 |  #3

I won't address the merits of sites like DxOMark, but I will say this about Canon:

L-lenses (most) are rugged and weather sealed. This is very important to me.

Canon's are easy to use. Maybe Nikon's are too, but I've always found their menu systems and button layouts to be rather fiddly.

In the end, both Nikon and Canon make excellent cameras, and it boils down to what system you know, what system you've invested in, and what just feels better in your hand. Remember, it's the person behind the camera that makes great photos, not the camera.




  
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Jul 28, 2014 15:36 |  #4

Cue the fanboys in 3... 2... 1...

First of all, don't take the DxO scores as gospel. They're measuring absolute sensor performance in a lab. Some or all of these scores may not translate to better performance for you, taking actual pictures of subjects.

Second of all, there are aspects of sensor performance which don't show up in the DxO scores. Noise performance at low ISO vs. performance at high ISO is not clearly better for one sensor over the other. Color rendition (if you prefer a particular balance straight out of camera) is not clearly better for one sensor over the other. Optics choice and quality is not clearly better for one camera over the other.

If you're puzzled, you should try both systems and see what they do in your typical use, then decide. DxO has no idea about you or your style / choice of subject.


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Jul 28, 2014 15:46 |  #5

If you are primarily a landscape shooter then it would make more sense to shoot with the Nikon D810's sensor. It doesn't look as though you have that much invested in glass so the switchover shouldn't cost much.


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My sister, the professional baker and cake decorator once told me that my camera takes great pics. My reply was that I thought her oven baked great cakes.:lol:

  
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Jul 28, 2014 15:52 |  #6

A good example from above is every review I have read comparing 5d3, 6d, d610 and d800 says 6d is best and 5d3 a hair behind in hi iso performance.


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Jul 28, 2014 15:54 |  #7

Do we have to keep beating this horse every single day... really?


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Jul 28, 2014 15:55 |  #8

It's the greater megapixel count that weighs heavily in the DxO system.


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Jul 28, 2014 16:01 |  #9

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Jul 28, 2014 16:04 |  #10

Ye, i heard that before SONY sensor era Canon was better then Nikon :))


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Jul 28, 2014 16:11 |  #11

Unless used in extreme conditions (e.g. low light, wide DR, etc.), any DSLR is sufficient to generate a great image. I've never felt that image quality in a Canon has held me back where a Nikon would have improved my result. It's the feature of a camera that I think make the biggest impact to my photography. While Canon is very good with regard to features, I have noticed that Nikon has a lot to offer that I really like.

Even if you consider Canon's cameras inferior to Nikon's, there is always the rest of the photographic system to consider. For example, Nikon doesn't have speed lights with integrated radio... yet!




  
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Jul 28, 2014 16:12 |  #12

don't look at the bogus overall score. but look at the individual score and decide what is important to you.

I am switching to pentax because they have sony sensors with a noticeable difference in DR compared side by side with my 50D


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Jul 28, 2014 16:17 |  #13

Maybe just to many reviews available and equipment specs talked to death on forums. Each model mentioned in op is great. I want them all :)


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Jul 28, 2014 16:20 as a reply to  @ rapurimanka's post |  #14

If your starting out new I would recommend Nikon. There are a few users here on potn that switched over and speak very highly of what the sony sensor can do, some also shooting with the a7 line. But the 6d is quite a good camera. It just depends if you feel its worth your time and money to switch. If money wasnt a problem I would have tested out the sony a7r along with the the new nikon 810 with the best glass offered and make my decision based on what i liked. Reality is that I currently dont want to do that and im invested in Canon. However I would love to see a a7r ii and if Canon is still sitting around not doing anything then I will likely switch. However im still taking fantastic pics with the 6d. The main thing I dislike is its low mp count.


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Jul 28, 2014 18:55 |  #15

when i was making the switch from point and shoot to dslr i was tossing between the 60d and the d5100.i actually preferred the menu and layout of the d5100 and loved its features,it was a much more user friendly camera for a novice like myself,but the 60d felt more like a semi professional cam and the sales woman was cute so i got the 60d,a few months later i found a used d5100 very cheap and i bought it,if i didn't already buy a few lenses for the canon i prob would have went nikon all the way,i only recently sold the d5100 as i couldn't justify having 3 cams haha but while i had the nikon i really liked it,i used my friends d800 a few times and wow thats a great cam,feels amazing and took some very nice photos,
like mentioned above,they are both great cams its all about preference now,the small differences don't mean much


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