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Aug 06, 2014 14:49 |  #1

Trying to get some good quality shots of this baby, but my lighting set up is clearly all wrong. There are shadows everywhere and it just looks so snapshot-y. I'm looking for a more wrapped, soft light without all the extra shadows.

If anyone can tell from looking at it what needs to be changed, I'd love to hear it. Lighting diagram is attached as well, but is was:
- 580EXII camera left, angled down @ 45 degrees, with shoot-through umbrella, and
- Bare speedlight camera right (close to floor) aimed at background (or so I thought anyway).

My first thought was move the umbrella to right next to me, and maybe move her further from the background. But I would love to hear anyone else's opinions if you've seen a similar issue and know how to fix it. TIA!


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Aug 06, 2014 14:53 |  #2

For starters, try moving the baby/subject farther away from the wall. Then move the umbrella closer to the baby/subject. The closer the better, and point it directly at the subject.

If you are looking to blowout the back ground, make sure your second bare flash is set about 2 stops brighter than your key light


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Aug 06, 2014 15:00 |  #3

Thanks for the super-fast response... I get a second shot at her this afternoon, so that will be the first thing I try!


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Aug 06, 2014 15:02 |  #4

Also raise the lights so the shadows fall lower. Actually the shadow on the right makes it look like the light on the left was below her.

Actually looking again all of the shadows are from the "background light" it's the chair shadow to the right that looks like a low angle light on the girl. I'd still suggest raising that light though as my main answer, and the catch lights could come from higher up so the main light could/should be raised as well.


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Aug 06, 2014 15:03 |  #5

Yeah, a common mistake is putting your subject right up next to the background. Keep your subject to backdrop distance at least 4 feet.


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Aug 06, 2014 15:03 as a reply to  @ 5280Pics's post |  #6

Hey Colleen, I agree 100% with what 5280 said concerning the main light. As close as possible.
The usual location for the background light is directly behind the subject to eliminate the chair shadow on the chest. You'll have to play with the light angle on the wall to achieve pleasing lighting on the background and figure out how to hide it behind your uber-cute subject. You might also try raising the background light and bouncing it off the ceiling from your right for soft uniform effect on the background. If aimed properly this might also offer a little hair light that will achieve better subject separation from the background and reduce the "snap shot" look you're talking about. Good luck!


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Aug 06, 2014 15:34 as a reply to  @ CamFan01's post |  #7

everything said so far is good advice. It looks like your main light in the umbrella is too low also.

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Aug 06, 2014 15:59 |  #8

It would been a better image if you would have used 1 light of have both on the same side


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Aug 06, 2014 16:03 |  #9

I wouldn't go bare bulb on any of the lights unless you want harsher light. Umbrella on both and move them both closer.


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Aug 06, 2014 19:47 |  #10

Okay, thanks so much for all the feedback. I get a second chance this Saturday, so her baby-doll and I have some evening appointments before then to try out the advice. Sounds like everyone is in agreement, which makes it a little easier to implement :) Thank you!!!


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Aug 12, 2014 14:03 |  #11

Okay, take two... baby moved away from background, light source higher and closer to her.

This is definitely closer to what I was trying to get (although it's not *quite* SOOC) but I wanted to see if anyone had any CC to offer. Also, is it just me or is the focus a little soft on her eyes?

Thanks in advance!


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Aug 12, 2014 15:11 |  #12

Yeah that looks a little soft on the eyes. What camera/lens are you using? What are the settings used for that shot? The second photo looks a lot better than the first. However, the sharpness looks better on the first.


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Aug 13, 2014 13:33 |  #13

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Yeah that looks a little soft on the eyes. What camera/lens are you using? What are the settings used for that shot? The second photo looks a lot better than the first. However, the sharpness looks better on the first.

Both were using the same T3i with a 70-200 2.8L IS. This one was shot at f/8, 1/100, ISO 100. I've been struggling with sharp focus using that lens, so it's probably time to do a few test exercises and see if it's me or the lens. Or more accurately, see what specific kind of user error it is so I can hopefully avoid more of the same :)


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Aug 13, 2014 13:57 |  #14

chight wrote in post #17093896 (external link)
Both were using the same T3i with a 70-200 2.8L IS. This one was shot at f/8, 1/100, ISO 100. I've been struggling with sharp focus using that lens, so it's probably time to do a few test exercises and see if it's me or the lens. Or more accurately, see what specific kind of user error it is so I can hopefully avoid more of the same :)

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Are you focusing on her eyes & then recomposing or selecting a focus point?


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Aug 13, 2014 13:59 |  #15

chight wrote in post #17080408 (external link)
Trying to get some good quality shots of this baby, but my lighting set up is clearly all wrong. There are shadows everywhere and it just looks so snapshot-y. I'm looking for a more wrapped, soft light without all the extra shadows.

If anyone can tell from looking at it what needs to be changed, I'd love to hear it. Lighting diagram is attached as well, but is was:
- 580EXII camera left, angled down @ 45 degrees, with shoot-through umbrella, and
- Bare speedlight camera right (close to floor) aimed at background (or so I thought anyway).

My first thought was move the umbrella to right next to me, and maybe move her further from the background. But I would love to hear anyone else's opinions if you've seen a similar issue and know how to fix it. TIA!

What did you use to create the lighting setup diagram?


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