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Aug 06, 2014 22:11 |  #1366

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The 35/2.5 is still my favourite for street photography; it's just the perfect size (tiny, but functional).

I'll admit, though, f/1.4 is really nice to have in such a small lens.

I'm trying to plan a lens setup for my Leicas, and I only have a 50 so far. Haven't decided if I should go 15/28/50/90 or 21/35/50/90...

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Aug 07, 2014 08:10 |  #1367

You should do 28 35 50

15 is a gimmick. 21 might be a gimmick too


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Aug 07, 2014 09:07 |  #1368

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #17081712 (external link)
You should do 28 35 50

15 is a gimmick. 21 might be a gimmick too

28/50/90 is the classic PJ kit.

I personally prefer 21/35/90 (my Mamiya 7 kit is 43/80/150, which is roughly the same), with a fast 50 kicking around for occasional use. A lot of people will tell you that 35 and 50 are too close together and you should just pick one. I disagree; to me, they have a totally different feel.

I don't think 21 is a gimmick; it's quite a useful focal length for a lot of purposes. The question is: do you use it for those purposes? I didn't use my CV 21/4 enough to justify keeping it, but I use my 43/4.5 all the time on my Mamiya 7, because when I want that type of angle of view, I generally want lots of detail in the images (i.e. medium format).

15 is a gimmick. You'll use it once in a blue moon for s**ts and giggles.


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Aug 07, 2014 09:34 |  #1369

edge100 wrote in post #17081802 (external link)
28/50/90 is the classic PJ kit.

I personally prefer 21/35/90 (my Mamiya 7 kit is 43/80/150, which is roughly the same), with a fast 50 kicking around for occasional use. A lot of people will tell you that 35 and 50 are too close together and you should just pick one. I disagree; to me, they have a totally different feel.

I don't think 21 is a gimmick; it's quite a useful focal length for a lot of purposes. The question is: do you use it for those purposes? I didn't use my CV 21/4 enough to justify keeping it, but I use my 43/4.5 all the time on my Mamiya 7, because when I want that type of angle of view, I generally want lots of detail in the images (i.e. medium format).

15 is a gimmick. You'll use it once in a blue moon for s**ts and giggles.

I'm having trouble visualizing 43mm in medium format, but I'd like to think I'd use wide MF differently from wide 35mm.

But having a 35 and a 21 skopar , I feel the 28 is missing. And I'd often much rather have a stop or two extra.

They all have their uses, but you sold your 21mm and I'm holding onto mine simply because I'm a hoarder.

PJs do use it, but their shots are often more dramatic and their job is to twist ordinary into something compelling and printable. I'm trying to study composition without distorting reality, mostly within normal perspectives. So most of my photography is from 28 to 50mm.


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Aug 07, 2014 10:10 |  #1370

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I'm having trouble visualizing 43mm in medium format, but I'd like to think I'd use wide MF differently from wide 35mm.

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Aug 07, 2014 10:14 as a reply to  @ DocFrankenstein's post |  #1371

35/50, the rest have no practical use for me on Leica.
I have sharp and contrasty 28mm on my $5 P&S and it is soo wide to use it often.
90mm on Leica has too small frame lines to work with. It is like my 500D VF comparing to my 5D VF :)
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Aug 07, 2014 10:19 |  #1372

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #17081712 (external link)
You should do 28 35 50

15 is a gimmick. 21 might be a gimmick too

I have 28/35/50 as my setup for my OM-1n, and I'm mostly happy with it, but I often find that I want something wider. I shoot a mix of street, documentary and landscape work with my RFs, and when it comes to landscapes, I usually find I want something 21mm or wider, with a 50 or a short telephoto.

Edge, I agree about 35 and 50, they feel completely different to me as well. I know if I get a 21, I'd use it on a regular basis. Based on how I use my 17-40, I'd say 80% of the shots I take with it are between 17-21, and the rest are between 28-35.

I'd agree that the 90 framelines are too small on a 0.72 body, but with an M3 they're about the same size as the 50 lines are on a 0.72, which I wouldn't have a problem with.


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Aug 07, 2014 11:00 |  #1373

my M kit is 25/35/50/90 but most used is definitely the 35 or 50, 35 for vacation/travel and 50 for portraits/work.
I rarely use the 90mm but nice to have when needed, I like the 25mm on the M3 when I feel like shooting wider

I didn't like shooting 90 on the M3, M6 and M9, even with the 1.25x, 50mm is the longest I would use on a RF camera.

I thought about buying edge's 21mm but it's not a focal length that I use outside of landscape and I already have an OM 21mm on the A7 for that.


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Aug 08, 2014 16:48 |  #1374

taemo wrote in post #17082038 (external link)
my M kit is 25/35/50/90 but most used is definitely the 35 or 50, 35 for vacation/travel and 50 for portraits/work.
I rarely use the 90mm but nice to have when needed, I like the 25mm on the M3 when I feel like shooting wider

I didn't like shooting 90 on the M3, M6 and M9, even with the 1.25x, 50mm is the longest I would use on a RF camera.

I thought about buying edge's 21mm but it's not a focal length that I use outside of landscape and I already have an OM 21mm on the A7 for that.

I expect that most of my work would also be with the 50 and 35, but the 21 and 90 would both get use, especially for landscape work... I think I'll just get a 35/2.5 in the next couple of months, and decide where to go from there.


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Aug 08, 2014 20:54 |  #1375

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I expect that most of my work would also be with the 50 and 35, but the 21 and 90 would both get use, especially for landscape work... I think I'll just get a 35/2.5 in the next couple of months, and decide where to go from there.

If I were using my Leica's for landscape, I would also get the 21mm.
It's on my wish list too but it can wait until next year.
Look for the old LTM version so that it includes the OVF.

The Color-Skopar 35mm 2.5 is another great lens, performance comparable to the f/2 biogon and summicrons for half/third of price.
The Nokton 35mm 1.4 is a good lens too, lots of flaws (soft, lots of distortions) comparable to the early Summilux but that's what makes it special to me. I regret selling mine so it's on my wish list.


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Aug 09, 2014 05:51 |  #1376

taemo wrote in post #17085022 (external link)
If I were using my Leica's for landscape, I would also get the 21mm.
It's on my wish list too but it can wait until next year.
Look for the old LTM version so that it includes the OVF.

The Color-Skopar 35mm 2.5 is another great lens, performance comparable to the f/2 biogon and summicrons for half/third of price.
The Nokton 35mm 1.4 is a good lens too, lots of flaws (soft, lots of distortions) comparable to the early Summilux but that's what makes it special to me. I regret selling mine so it's on my wish list.

I agree with all of this, especially re: the 35/2.5. SUCH a great little lens.


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Aug 09, 2014 08:27 as a reply to  @ edge100's post |  #1377

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Aug 11, 2014 11:43 |  #1378

taemo wrote in post #17085022 (external link)
If I were using my Leica's for landscape, I would also get the 21mm.
It's on my wish list too but it can wait until next year.
Look for the old LTM version so that it includes the OVF.

The Color-Skopar 35mm 2.5 is another great lens, performance comparable to the f/2 biogon and summicrons for half/third of price.
The Nokton 35mm 1.4 is a good lens too, lots of flaws (soft, lots of distortions) comparable to the early Summilux but that's what makes it special to me. I regret selling mine so it's on my wish list.

edge100 wrote in post #17085499 (external link)
I agree with all of this, especially re: the 35/2.5. SUCH a great little lens.

Thanks for the input guys! My plan had been to get the 35/2.5, 21/4 and possibly a Leica 90/4 Elmar-C. I don't really need speed with the 90 if it's just for landscape and detail work, and I can always upgrade later if I change my mind.


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Aug 12, 2014 22:53 |  #1379

^look into a 90mm Tele-Elmarit-M which goes for around same price a Elmar-C apparently, it's so small and can go down to f/2.8

don't know if I screwed up preparing my C-41 kit, had to do a test roll w/ the 35CCN

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