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Will the 6D suit my needs?

 
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Aug 10, 2014 23:15 |  #1

This is my first post here, and for some background I'm currently an APS-C user of another system with several years' experience, plus my first SLR was a Canon Elan IIE several years ago, in the film days.

I've read great things about the 6D but must admit I'm tempted by the AF system of the 5D Mk III. Most of my photography related to people and domestic animals doesn't involve fast, erratic motion and I'm not a wildlife/bird photographer. Most of my people shots are candids of people walking/riding, some portraits and group shots, i.e. not incredibly fast or complex motion most times, but on occasion I also shoot kids being kids where there can be fast, erratic motion. About the only sports I've shot in recent years are younger kids' ice hockey and ice skating, both in arenas that also have dimmer lighting (requiring up to ISO 10,000 sometimes at f/4 to get a good, crisp shot with a decent shutter speed). So of course I also need AF that will lock and be accurate in dimmer conditions.

My main hesitation with the 6D is its 11-point AF with only one cross-type sensor, the middle one I believe, whereas the Mk III is loaded with AF points, several cross-type. There are times where Servo AF is very much needed given the conditions described above. And for the record, whichever camera I buy, I'll be buying it as a package deal along with the EF 24-105L f/4 to start with. I'm not planning on buying any f/2.8 glass.

All that said, would I be alright with the 6D or is it really worth ponying-up the extra for the 5D Mk III?




  
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Aug 10, 2014 23:31 |  #2

Just a silly question why no f2.8 Glass ?


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Aug 10, 2014 23:52 |  #3

The 6d can shoot sports, just not AS effectively as the 5d3. Your skill will need to be higher to compensate ;)


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Aug 10, 2014 23:58 as a reply to  @ dpds68's post |  #4

You need to examine the different situations you typically shoot in, and look at the strengths and weaknesses of different bodies AND lenses for those situations.

Candids, group shots, and stills -it will not make a difference between the 6D and 5D3. For group shots you will likely be stopped down so an f/4 lens will suffice. But for candids or stills, you might want f/2.8 or faster to destroy the background.

Kids playing, sports, pets moving around -You may be better served with the 5D3's superior AF system. Are you earning a living making these types of shots? If not, perhaps save your dough for some more/better glass? If you find yourself shooting at ISO 10K or higher often, I'd say you need some faster glass...

In the end, either camera could be just fine. The 5D3 is going to give your more keepers maybe, but I'd say you need to consider if that's worth an extra $1500 over the 6D. As a hobbyist photog, it isn't worth it to me, I'd rather buy fancy glass :)




  
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Aug 11, 2014 00:01 |  #5

If you don't require quick change of settings like changing focus point, then 6D is a very very very capable body. I have one and if there are 2 things I wished it had, it will be the joystick and more sensitive AF points. But I know I have to spend more for these features which the 5D mk3 has, and I can't justify buying it. The 6D has gps and wifi though, and it has cleaner high ISO so you "win" with either camera you choose to buy.


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Aug 11, 2014 00:40 |  #6

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Just a silly question why no f2.8 Glass ?

Not silly at all, i don't understand too why he does not want f/2.8 ...


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Aug 11, 2014 01:16 |  #7

Heya,

Buy F2.8 glass or faster and take the strain off your camera's AF in dim light and ISO performance abilities. Why would you limit yourself to F4 as the widest you can use?

I frankly don't think you even need a 6D. I think a 70D would do 100% of what you're looking to do.

Invest in better glass that is fast. You can always stop down.

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Aug 11, 2014 06:50 |  #8

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Heya,

Buy F2.8 glass or faster and take the strain off your camera's AF in dim light and ISO performance abilities. Why would you limit yourself to F4 as the widest you can use?

I frankly don't think you even need a 6D. I think a 70D would do 100% of what you're looking to do.

Invest in better glass that is fast. You can always stop down.

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Earlier this year, I sold my 5d II with 24mm-105mm, because I wanted to go lighter weight. I ordered the 70D and the 17-55mm f/2.8. Before the lens arrived, Best Buy had the 6D and 24-105mm for nearly the same price as what I was paying for the 70D and lens. I posted on this forum "which one?" and some wise person told me that the sensor in the 6D would let in more light with f/4 than the 70D would at f/2.8. That alone made me choose the 6D.

Also, I took the 70D out for a few hours and was disappointed after using the 5d ii. I think a FF produces better depth and detail in landscape photography. So although the 70D "would do just fine", the 6D will do better. ;)

When I had the 5d ii, I would use the 85mm f/1.8 for my grandkids' school functions held in dark auditoriums. Due to a great sensor and outstanding ISO capabilities, the last function I attended I was able to use the 6D and 24-105mm lens. So for the OP, a 6D and 24-105mm will do 90% of the shooting. A cheap prime will handle the other 10%.


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Aug 11, 2014 06:55 |  #9

Personally I would wan't f4 lens to stick on FF sensor unless I was shooting something stopped down or in studio env.


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Aug 11, 2014 07:05 |  #10

dpds68 wrote in post #17088446 (external link)
Just a silly question why no f2.8 Glass ?

Coming from an APS-C background, I'm not willing at this point to spend the extra $ on f/2.8 glass plus packing around the extra weight. I think the 6D/Mk III with a 24-105 might be overwhelming enough at first without also having a heavier f/2.8 lens.

I've also read that f/4 on full-frame has a narrower DOF than on a cropped sensor, so I'm pretty sure that even f/4 would suit most of my needs with respect to a thin enough DOF. Please feel free to correct me on this.




  
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Aug 11, 2014 07:10 |  #11
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I am a rank amateur and have no problems shooting kids' sports, indoor and outdoor, with a 60D and 6D. I use center point only (all the time) and a 100 f/2 or Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS. Outside, for large-field sports during the day, I can also get away with using the 100-400L. I am in no way limited by the AF on either of these cameras. Both of them are way better than I am.


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icdlight wrote in post #17088822 (external link)
Coming from an APS-C background, I'm not willing at this point to spend the extra $ on f/2.8 glass plus packing around the extra weight. I think the 6D/Mk III with a 24-105 might be overwhelming enough at first without also having a heavier f/2.8 lens.

I've also read that f/4 on full-frame has a narrower DOF than on a cropped sensor, so I'm pretty sure that even f/4 would suit most of my needs with respect to a thin enough DOF. Please feel free to correct me on this.

I don't think the primary concern here is DOF. Faster glass will give you faster, more accurate, focus. Most of Canon's cross-style center points need f/2.8 to act as cross-style points. The 100 f/2 is not large or heavy or expensive. It is also two stops faster than you 24-105. The 135L is longer (FL) than your 24-105 and still two stops faster. Again, it is not huge and heavy, but does cost a bit more.

The entire point of an interchangeable lens camera is to ... wait for it ... have the ability to change the lens. The Sigma or Tamron f/2.8 70-200s (OS, VC models) are a lot less expensive than the Canon IS II. Both are well worth the money. I don't get the point of moving to a much better camera and not wanting to support it with better glass. They work together.


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Aug 11, 2014 07:52 |  #13

icdlight wrote in post #17088822 (external link)
Coming from an APS-C background, I'm not willing at this point to spend the extra $ on f/2.8 glass plus packing around the extra weight. I think the 6D/Mk III with a 24-105 might be overwhelming enough at first without also having a heavier f/2.8 lens.

I've also read that f/4 on full-frame has a narrower DOF than on a cropped sensor, so I'm pretty sure that even f/4 would suit most of my needs with respect to a thin enough DOF. Please feel free to correct me on this.

I have to agree the f2.8 or less can be quite expensive. I upgraded from a 7D to a 6D and I believe because I shoot mostly single center-point I don't notice that much of a loss in AF. The 6D/24-105 kit is out for $2300 quite often that is what I did. I recommend waiting for a sale. The fast glass DOES make a difference. I recommend the primes to keep cost down - pick up one at a time as affordable. I keep a 28, 50 and 85 available for indoor use. The 24-105 will work fine inside with the 6D but the faster glass just produces a nicer image.


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Aug 11, 2014 08:59 |  #14

IMHO the 6D will serve you well. I would not feel it requires the 5D3s top of the line AF to follow kids sports or dogs. The 6D AF is very good.


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Aug 11, 2014 13:33 |  #15

Lumens wrote in post #17088878 (external link)
I have to agree the f2.8 or less can be quite expensive. I upgraded from a 7D to a 6D and I believe because I shoot mostly single center-point I don't notice that much of a loss in AF. The 6D/24-105 kit is out for $2300 quite often that is what I did. I recommend waiting for a sale. The fast glass DOES make a difference. I recommend the primes to keep cost down - pick up one at a time as affordable. I keep a 28, 50 and 85 available for indoor use. The 24-105 will work fine inside with the 6D but the faster glass just produces a nicer image.

Primes can also keep the weight down. I have built my kit around slower zoom lenses, supplemented with a few fast primes at focal lengths that fit my subject matter. This approach may not work for everyone, but it works for what and how I shoot.


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