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Aug 10, 2014 17:13 |  #1

Bret recently posted a great hummingbird thread ( https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1392487) at slow shutter speeds and low ISO.

I am posting 7-images with fast shutter speeds and high ISO. Exif data intact.

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The point I am trying to make and I think Bret too is to master your technique.

Thanks for the look and comments. More of my hummingbirds can be seen at www.tedellisphotograph​y.com (external link)

PS: I have never used a flash.

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Aug 10, 2014 17:54 |  #2

Very nice set Ted. Those guys sure have the beaks stuffed up in the flowers, must be deep at the bottom where the good stuff is.
I had to come in and look at these on the iMac for a good look. I can't explain it and you would think this makes no sense but I have always had better detail on slower ss shots with few exceptions. Though the are a lot different shots over all, which has better detail, fast or slow? I don't pull anyones shots, so I don't know what your settings are but I think we can agree that lower iso will always give the better shots.
Anyhow, a fine set of our little friends, colors and bg are sweet with number three my pick of the lot,
Very interesting comparison too! Grand job indeed....


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Aug 10, 2014 18:10 |  #3

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Very nice set Ted. Those guys sure have the beaks stuffed up in the flowers, must be deep at the bottom where the good stuff is.
I had to come in and look at these on the iMac for a good look. I can't explain it and you would think this makes no sense but I have always had better detail on slower ss shots with few exceptions. Though the are a lot different shots over all, which has better detail, fast or slow? I don't pull anyones shots, so I don't know what your settings are but I think we can agree that lower iso will always give the better shots.
Anyhow, a fine set of our little friends, colors and bg are sweet with number three my pick of the lot,
Very interesting comparison too! Grand job indeed....

I respectfully disagree lower Iso always give better shots Bret. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Keep them coming ,,,I will too.

Thanks for the reply.

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Aug 10, 2014 19:16 |  #4

I know my opinion is valueless but I'm going to give it anyway, You both have completely different styles and opinion's about how the final result should be!! I do shoot a lot like Bret in that I always see a difference in my PP'D image and I like the shadows on the detail I get with slower speed low iso images. That being said Teds fast high iso Hummering birds are some of the best we have all ever seen anywhere and if I was able to nail the big three and get as noise free... extremely detailed images as ted I may very well switch and go to the dark side lol ...You both are World Class Humming bird photographer's and everyone who see's your images know's this. we all strive to be 1/10 as good and I have learned a tremendous amount from you both. I enjoy your comments on my images and your poke in the ribs make me work harder. ....Thank you both for even bothering to comment on the meagre offerings I put up. And continue to post so we may enjoy yours.


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Aug 10, 2014 19:42 |  #5

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I know my opinion is valueless but I'm going to give it anyway, You both have completely different styles and opinion's about how the final result should be!! I do shoot a lot like Bret in that I always see a difference in my PP'D image and I like the shadows on the detail I get with slower speed low iso images. That being said Teds fast high iso Hummering birds are some of the best we have all ever seen anywhere and if I was able to nail the big three and get as noise free... extremely detailed images as ted I may very well switch and go to the dark side lol ...You both are World Class Humming bird photographer's and everyone how see's your images know's this. we all strive to be 1/10 as good and I have learned a tremendous amount from you both. I enjoy your comments on my images and your poke in the ribs make me work harder. ....Thank you both for even bothering to comment on the meagre offerings I put up. And continue to post so we may enjoy yours.


Jeff, great reply. Bret and I are hummingbird shooters. Different styles and philosophy.. As different as an impressionist and a classic . The bottom line is to perfect ones own style.


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Aug 10, 2014 19:56 |  #6

These are all absolutely stunning! Just gorgeous!


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Aug 10, 2014 20:14 |  #7

Excellent set


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Aug 11, 2014 11:43 |  #8

Stunning images Ted! Especially love #3...


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Aug 11, 2014 13:12 |  #9

I don't have a style, I'm just happy to be able to try now and then! As you know, I am a huge fan of your work...and these are beautiful. I so appreciate the fact that you, Bret and so many others here, are willing to help the rest of us, to try and perfect this amazing hobby.


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Aug 11, 2014 13:16 |  #10

Great set. Great detail.!!


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Aug 11, 2014 16:04 |  #11

Great set Ted! Love # 3 and 6. Excellent! :)


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Aug 11, 2014 19:15 |  #12

You guys are awesome! Curious about the high ISO-light not as good as it appears in the shots?


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Aug 12, 2014 08:58 |  #13

Pondrader wrote in post #17088096 (external link)
I know my opinion is valueless but I'm going to give it anyway, You both have completely different styles and opinion's about how the final result should be!! I do shoot a lot like Bret in that I always see a difference in my PP'D image and I like the shadows on the detail I get with slower speed low iso images. That being said Teds fast high iso Hummering birds are some of the best we have all ever seen anywhere and if I was able to nail the big three and get as noise free... extremely detailed images as ted I may very well switch and go to the dark side lol ...You both are World Class Humming bird photographer's and everyone who see's your images know's this. we all strive to be 1/10 as good and I have learned a tremendous amount from you both. I enjoy your comments on my images and your poke in the ribs make me work harder. ....Thank you both for even bothering to comment on the meagre offerings I put up. And continue to post so we may enjoy yours.

Well said. Me too learned a lot from these 2 fellas and from others too.


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Aug 12, 2014 14:40 |  #14

butterfly2937 wrote in post #17088153 (external link)
These are all absolutely stunning! Just gorgeous!

Thank you Carol. I am glad you like.

m52 wrote in post #17088184 (external link)
Excellent set

Thanks Randy.

CMOats wrote in post #17089256 (external link)
Stunning images Ted! Especially love #3...

Cheryl, I am glad you replied...thanks!!!

SJC from VT wrote in post #17089425 (external link)
I don't have a style, I'm just happy to be able to try now and then! As you know, I am a huge fan of your work...and these are beautiful. I so appreciate the fact that you, Bret and so many others here, are willing to help the rest of us, to try and perfect this amazing hobby.

Sandy, you have a style, you have yet to discover it. I am honored by your kind words. The bottom line for me is to give back to the love of bird photography as many have and done and do for me. I can't speak for Bret but I would venture to say he does too.

bigjohninva wrote in post #17089430 (external link)
Great set. Great detail.!!

Thanks Big John.

Grizz wrote in post #17089702 (external link)
Great set Ted! Love # 3 and 6. Excellent! :)

Glad you like Craig.:)

ardeekay wrote in post #17090036 (external link)
You guys are awesome! Curious about the high ISO-light not as good as it appears in the shots?

Rog, I am not sure what you are asking. I hope my reply answers your question. When I photograph hummers in good to great daytime light, my ISO ranges from 800-1600. Most of the time I shoot at 1250-1600 ISO. I am very comfortable photographing at 1600 ISO.

Higher ISO allows me to get faster ss. IMO with faster ss, you get better total detail within a depth of field. There was a time years ago in high end cameras where high ISO meant more noise in the image. Not so today.

Lastly, PP, if there is more than acceptable noise, a good NR program applied selectively takes away the noise.

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Well said. Me too learned a lot from these 2 fellas and from others too.

Thank you Peter. Thank all of you again.

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