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Aug 12, 2014 21:55 |  #61

I hope someone has screen captures and sues that guy. What a tool.




  
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Aug 12, 2014 22:15 |  #62

I've always believed that the person who wastes time being critical of another photographer does so, in no small part, because he's able to acknowledge a severe shortfall in his own abilities.


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Aug 12, 2014 22:18 |  #63

airfrogusmc wrote in post #17092363 (external link)
And worse to post the copyrighted material without their permission on his site even if it were flattering is not cool. Not to mention the photo by Robert Frank

Is that the one of men at a lunch counter? I knew I'd seen it before, and it was that one especially that brought the word "classic" to mind.

If this guy is such a superior photographer, he could post his own work to show his readers how it's done right.


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Aug 13, 2014 02:58 |  #64

OhLook wrote in post #17092518 (external link)
Is that the one of men at a lunch counter? I knew I'd seen it before, and it was that one especially that brought the word "classic" to mind.

If this guy is such a superior photographer, he could post his own work to show his readers how it's done right.

He did, but they won't load :rolleyes:

Did I see his name was Patrick? I think someone added an unecessary 'at' in there.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 05:35 |  #65

Anyone else use his contact us link to let him know how big of a loser he is?


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Aug 13, 2014 06:27 |  #66

Saw his portfolio, not interested in his opinion anymore.


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Aug 13, 2014 06:56 |  #67

I'm guessing this is gonna be a very expensive lesson for him on how to use social media.


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Aug 13, 2014 08:05 as a reply to  @ armis's post |  #68

Some talk with their camera and some use words I guess. He is jealous and bitter and should be asking for help with his own photography instead of putting down better photographers. It is amazing that he thinks that saying all that to a potential customer would leave a good impression.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 08:20 |  #69

It's clear that he has a hard-on for HDR. I get it. It's become a cliche, to a degree; much in the same way selective coloring did. But the fact of the matter is that people will buy it, so people continue to do it. That's what he seems to have a problem with; the fact that people will buy it.

I think the reason they'll buy it is simple: They don't believe they can achieve that look themselves.

If I take a photo of a lighthouse and offer it for sale, it's highly likely that someone looking at it will say "Hell, I can do that" and not buy the photo. But if I do an HDR version of the same scene, some folks will look at it and decide they can't achieve that look. They won't know anything about the number of exposures or what software I used or anything else. The "pedestrian" view will be "I can't do that, so I think I'll buy this".

Until people stop buying it, it will always be available. Photographers will always produce it. And that's okay.


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Aug 13, 2014 08:49 |  #70

(pic removed because the alleged owner whined about it. But just imagine a disinterested girl in an evening gown standing on some nauseatingly over saturated red rocks in the desert )

Wow...yep it's Lisa alright and she's a fantastic photographer we all know.

And in ANY business bad mouthing another business is so unprofessional you might as well just exit the business and start digging your own graves. One of my wife's competition does this; she won't name any names but directly to customers = all the time. We had many upset customers and people that are outright pissed off the way she bad mouths anyone that doesn't support her little shop. Ridiculous.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 09:35 |  #71

OhLook wrote in post #17092518 (external link)
Is that the one of men at a lunch counter? I knew I'd seen it before, and it was that one especially that brought the word "classic" to mind.

If this guy is such a superior photographer, he could post his own work to show his readers how it's done right.

Yes that's the photo and I agree. But even then sometimes it's apples and oranges. If you are a client and you need an apple you probably aren't going to go to a place that only has oranges. Room out there for all kinds of vision. The key is to have a vision.




  
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Aug 13, 2014 09:43 |  #72

Aki78 wrote in post #17093180 (external link)
Wow...yep it's Lisa alright and she's a fantastic photographer we all know.

Who's Lisa?

And in ANY business bad mouthing another business is so unprofessional you might as well just exit the business and start digging your own graves.

But this is something which is actually ridiculously common amongst photographers. Do a search of "MWC" here on POTN, and you'll find plenty of it.


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Aug 13, 2014 10:00 |  #73

Road Dog wrote in post #17093289 (external link)
Who's Lisa?

http://iso.500px.com …-portrait-photo-tutorial/ (external link)


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Aug 13, 2014 10:18 |  #74

The pungent scent of bitterness wafting from his words. How sad that he doesn't seem to realize that his business--if he has one--is hurt by his rant.



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Aug 13, 2014 10:32 |  #75

Does he rant about this everywhere?

from his about me:

While we are a for profit business, we must say this… There are things more important than money. Photographers can, on average, come up with various fees and costs associated with their services. To be candid, some of these things are strictly designed to make the photographer extra money. Ever wonder what a ‘sitting fee’ is? It’s pointless is what it is! When you tell us what your needs are, we will give you a custom, all inclusive price for our work. Our work involves photographing you and making any adjustments so the photo is ready to print. Thats what we charge! If you want prints, we do not believe in the business model of padding print costs to essentially charge you twice. Many photographers make money off the ‘back end’ in padding the fees that their printers charge them. We do Not believe in this practice! We will be happy to have any of your printing needs done by our printer, but we, unlike many, will Not charge extra. You will get a copy of the invoice we get from the printer, and that is the price You pay. We are a service of taking pictures, not printing them. We can of course offer a variety of printing options for your needs, but be assured, you will not pay one penny more than we do for the cost of prints. If you just want to use our service for digital content, that is fine too! We find it borderline criminal that some photographers talk you into buying print or canvas print products at a ridiculous up charge.

Who puts a rant in their about me page?

And in business the only thing that may be more important than money is your reputation. Certainly not "many things".


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