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Aug 13, 2014 22:55 |  #91

panicatnabisco wrote in post #17094935 (external link)
This has been the most entertaining read of the day

Not only is he a total dick, but sexist too
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Talk about spray an spray....jesus.


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Aug 13, 2014 23:16 |  #92

This is a joke ... right? Negative marketing that backfired??

An amateurish photographer criticizing someone like Lisa Holloway who's such an amazing talent? The only good things about reading this thread are:

1. I feel a bit better about my own cr@ppy abilities after looking at the Seven Lakes Studio site.
2. I really enjoyed the links pointing to Lisa's images. Great stuff. I could spend all evening looking at them and only dream of being so good.


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Aug 14, 2014 03:10 |  #93

I know the eyes have to be in focus but omg those over processed bright blue eyes just remind me of Damien Omen or The Exorcist /shudder




  
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Aug 14, 2014 06:32 |  #94

airfrogusmc wrote in post #17094026 (external link)
Lets be careful and not become just like him. Like his work or not he shouldn't have used copyrighted material without permission. Bashing the comp will only hurt him. I say it's best to just leave it at that. Calling him names and bashing his work starts going down his road which is a road I would advise to stay clear of.

This.

The internet hive-mind backlash has been a bit much.


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Aug 14, 2014 07:21 |  #95
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bacchanal wrote in post #17095378 (external link)
This.

The internet hive-mind backlash has been a bit much.

Agree. To post that he is out of his mind for ripping off and then bashing other peoples' work is one thing .............




  
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Aug 14, 2014 07:59 |  #96

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Wow. Even with the photos removed, the writer's descriptions leave no doubt about who the criticized photographer is.

The classic B&W images near the end have no credit lines. Did the poster have permission to reproduce these?

I believe those were by the guy who wrote the article.


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Aug 14, 2014 08:19 |  #97

Jarvis Creative Studios wrote in post #17091915 (external link)
I've honestly noticed this from a lot of photographers who are "getting up there" in age.

Hey! I'm one of those getting up there in age. I started with film. I shoot digital now. I'm not a bitter complainer.


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Aug 14, 2014 08:56 |  #98

joedlh wrote in post #17095565 (external link)
Hey! I'm one of those getting up there in age. I started with film. I shoot digital now. I'm not a bitter complainer.

seriously. if the subject of the original post is getting up there in age, i must be a dinosaur. :D

despite the grumpy old man, stuck in his ways stereotype, the reality is that old people who are perceived this way were the same way when younger. There are plenty of folks that just don't get the word "compromise" at any age.

I don't think i have once said to a client anything along the lines of coming from the days of film. Here it might mean something, but is in no way indicative of talent or experience. Being in or around the industry for so long might change one's perspective, but it is up to the individual to use that additional perspective effectively and to their benefit. Not as an instrument to bash someone else's work.


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Aug 14, 2014 09:24 |  #99

This thread has become bashing the competition for bashing the competition. A wee bit of irony! What would Confucius say?


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Aug 14, 2014 09:57 |  #100

New post today. My favorite part:

I touched on this in my own blog. I briefly used images that I found floating all over the net (some of which were not used in a flattering way, yet I don’t see her complaining to them about any copyright issues). But just the same I erred on the side of caution and removed the images that were allegedly protected.

http://picturetoburn.c​om/?p=1303 (external link)

All images are protected. Unless of course it is taken by a monkey


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Aug 14, 2014 10:10 |  #101

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This thread has become bashing the competition for bashing the competition. A wee bit of irony! What would Confucius say?

certainly i see the irony. but context matters.

I was surprised, but just for a moment, to see that people had actually logged into google plus and facebook to add negative comments about this guy. That is a much more public and disconcerting way of expressing a criticism of someone than posting on a board filled with photographers.

anyway, here are a few googled Confucius quotes just for the hell of it,

"Look at the means which a man employs, consider his motives, observe his pleasures. A man simply cannot conceal himself!"

"To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it."

"Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change."

"Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without."

"The superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions."

"The superior man is distressed by the limitations of his ability; he is not distressed by the fact that men do not recognize the ability that he has."


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Aug 14, 2014 10:38 |  #102

The one thing this guy clearly has NO understanding of is the difference between what Lisa does and the photos he posted to compare to her work. He posted environmental portraits and photojournalism/docume​ntary shots and used those to pick apart her creative portraits that can have as much or as little artistic license as the photographer wishes. In photojournalism, you are conveying the scene or event as it happened, and other than the slightest of adjustments, nothing should be done to the image. Lisa can paste woodland fairies, unicorns, or a giant ****ing pile of **** in her pictures, and none of it matters, because Lisa isn't documenting news, nor is she shooting environmental portraits. This guy is obviously not nearly as educated as he thinks he is.


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Aug 14, 2014 10:47 |  #103

Has this guy been nominated for "Photodouche of the Year" yet?

If not, I'd like to make a nomination...


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Aug 14, 2014 10:50 |  #104

This lovely human being has taken the extra step of leaving me a fake Yelp review under a fake name. I'm sure Yelp, in all it's fairness, will do nothing. http://www.yelp.com …loway-photography-kingman (external link)


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Aug 14, 2014 10:54 |  #105

Guess he doesn't realize you can't really control your 'legions'. What a vitriolic, angry, bitter individual. Sorry he has gotten you wrapped up in his extensive issues Lisa. :(


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