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Aug 15, 2014 08:58 as a reply to  @ post 17097673 |  #16

I'm down with beer and pizza. Tell him to PM me.


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Aug 15, 2014 10:01 as a reply to  @ FarmerTed1971's post |  #17

For me I have found free work has led me nowhere except to the possibility of more unpaid work. I know another photographer that free work has led to paying jobs but he set it up that way with almost a guarantee of people wanting some of what he was doing for free. The question I would be asking myself is there some way that this free work will benefit me equal to the time it takes. Drinks and food.... if he was your friend wouldn't that be free at a party anyway? There are many levels of friendships and the fact that you did not say WTF right then implies that you are not close enough to do it for free like for family etc.




  
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Aug 15, 2014 11:33 |  #18

jrmy wrote in post #17096584 (external link)
Frankly, I'm insulted. I don't need the money, but I don't want to work for free. I'm a set photographer primarily and do some portraiture on the side. I normally do portrait work for friends on the cheap, but never free.

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This is business. His intent isn't to insult you. He needs photography. If his terms aren't acceptable to you, then simply politely decline.

I would go with banquetbear on this one, don't take it personally and objectively weigh the options.

This was posted elsewhere on the forum but I wanted to highlight that a photographer covering the Ferguson situation was asked by major news outlets if they could run his photos for credit. You would think they would be throwing money at him to secure those photos, but hey photos don't cost anything right?

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Aug 15, 2014 13:47 |  #19
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Well, without knowing how 'deep' is the friendship 'twixt the OP and his mate, or how the one was approached by the other, we can easily become judgmental.

I keep thinking of my best friend, though. He's asked me to do shoots for his family a number of times and he's never tried to pay me with food and booze: those are provided on the spot free of charge. Last time he asked me to photograph his niece's birthday party. I initially declined: I told him, 'the pictures are gonna sux; I am not an event photographer', but he insisted and I agreed in the end. Yes, the photos on the main sucked; but they did like quite a few of them and I gave them a CD. He did ask how much I'd charge for such events. I told him I don't do that kind of photography but that given the case, I'd go with my day rates: since his party took me only less than four hours, I told him 'were I charging you, I'd charge you half my day rate, $400'.

Well, long story short: he picked me up, drove there and back home with the gear, I was given lots of food at the party, offered lots of booze (which I declined as I wasn't tasting alcohol at the time), and when he came to pick up his CD he gave me $420.

Now, my friend knows that I'm not doing well financially: but even if I were, he'd not be taking advantage of my talents (or lack thereof). Sure, he'd try to negotiate or ask for a bit of a break if he felt the price was too high, but he wouldn't be a freeloader. Many times he's driven me to and from MY shoots (I don't own a car) and even helped out as my unpaid assistant. Heck, he's even taken me to lunch/supper afterwards: all on his pocket.

On the other hand, he's a registered massage therapist. He's been giving me free sessions to ameliorate my back problems. I really can't afford to pay him, but I still ask him 'how much do I owe you?' even if I'm hoping to myself that he'll say 'nothing' as he always does. Basic courtesy, let alone friendship demands that. I've done other things for free for him as well. We don't take advantage of each other and respect each other's work. That's what I call 'friend', and that's one relationship I'd be a doofus to harm because of pecuniary compensation.


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Aug 15, 2014 23:46 |  #20

SOK wrote in post #17097558 (external link)
I'm on the same page as you Mark...maybe the beer economy is stronger in our part of the world?

...I mean for goodness sake, its catering and booze! I wouldn't turn down a mate who was offering that. But thats just me.

david lacey wrote in post #17097825 (external link)
For me I have found free work has led me nowhere except to the possibility of more unpaid work. I know another photographer that free work has led to paying jobs but he set it up that way with almost a guarantee of people wanting some of what he was doing for free. The question I would be asking myself is there some way that this free work will benefit me equal to the time it takes. Drinks and food.... if he was your friend wouldn't that be free at a party anyway? There are many levels of friendships and the fact that you did not say WTF right then implies that you are not close enough to do it for free like for family etc.

Bartering is not free: its an equitable exchange of products or services. So of course this job won't lead to anything else: but it will satisfy the stomach and the taste buds. Whether or not that is an equitable exchange or not depends on the value of the catering and the booze, and whether or not this is at a launch party (which is a strange place to get product shots) or as a gift to the OP (I'll cater your 21st birthday party.) Regardless of which one it is, the offer shouldn't be considered an insult, or a request for free work. Its an offer. The OP can choose to either accept the offer or decline. No need for drama.


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Aug 16, 2014 00:26 |  #21

The only thing I say is beware that this may become a habit. Do it for free once and then he can use the excuse "well you did it for free last time".




  
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Aug 16, 2014 19:18 |  #22

I swap skills with friends a lot. I'm decent with a hammer, my friend is a mason. I helped him build a shed, he helped me with a patio.
Any chance of something like that here?


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Aug 17, 2014 20:24 as a reply to  @ Acetoolguy's post |  #23

Didn't read the thread.

He is not asking you to work for free, he is asking for a barter. I arrange barters at full retail price for both parties, that's usually easiest to negotiate and helps that both parties know what the other services are worth. If you want to give a friend discount, that's up to you.

I'm assuming the other party has some professional experience with catering. If not professional, on the same level of professionalism as your photography.

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Aug 18, 2014 13:43 |  #24

Food and drink are nice, but you won't be there to eat and drink, you will be there to work. So while you may snack on a few things, you most likely won't be drinking as that would be failry unprofessional and may harm your final product. So in the end you will have gotten $20 worth of food in exchange for $x amount of photography services.

I'm in the camp with the previous posters who would agree to do it in exchange for compensation should the project become funded.




  
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Aug 18, 2014 23:08 |  #25

jrmy wrote in post #17096584 (external link)
I've recently received a request by a friend to shoot his upcoming Kickstarter campaign. He wants product and lifestyle shots and has offered "catering and booze" as "payment." I'm not sure what their budget is for their campaign but I do know they're sinking money into it.

Frankly, I'm insulted. I don't need the money, but I don't want to work for free. I'm a set photographer primarily and do some portraiture on the side. I normally do portrait work for friends on the cheap, but never free.
Do I risk damaging the relationship or suck it up and help a friend out?

For the Kickster project. Ask him for your name on the photos if you're thinking to work in free? If his project is worth something brilliant. Then, go for some service from him Like services related to the Kickster project! Or make a contract that if the project is successful, then you need your payment like whatever you want to charge. It is better you should charge something.
It's up to you now -> that if he is your best friend then really you want to charge him ?
After all you need to make the sole decision on the issue.




  
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Aug 19, 2014 09:02 |  #26

mikeinctown wrote in post #17103690 (external link)
I'm in the camp with the previous posters who would agree to do it in exchange for compensation should the project become funded.

Ditto that.


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