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Aug 14, 2014 16:54 |  #16

I studied graphic design in college at a state university. I was able to get financial aid, participate in work/study, and graduated almost debt-free and transitioned right into a full time gig. Some friends went to AI for their graphic design studies and exited with good production skills, but lacked conceptual abilities and graduated with $75k in student loan debt. Try looking at some state university programs, if you can! I'd highly recommend that route!


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Aug 14, 2014 16:54 |  #17

they teach you all about photography, such as fashion, composition, lighting, photojournalism, business law, business management, and much more in different genres. Basically everything you need to do it professionally.

If this is true then this would have value. It is up to you to decide if this value is worth what they are charging. You could pursue some free or less expensive options, as mentioned above, first. This might help you decide it The AI is a good value.




  
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Aug 14, 2014 21:25 |  #18

ACESFULL82 wrote in post #17096203 (external link)
....He said he took out 90k in financial aid and would only repay about 30K. .....

How is that possible?

I'd be very very skeptical of any for-profit school. My step-son went to one where they made all the usual promises about helping him find a job when he gets out blah blah blah. All lies, now he's saddled with a ton of debt and no job in the field he wanted. You can usually get a better education by finding the right public college or junior college and come out the other end with a hell of a lot less debt.




  
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Aug 14, 2014 23:11 |  #19

Thanks for chiming in everybody! I appreciate the advice and real world experiences!! Been looking over for-profit schools, apparently there's been more than a few complaints over the last few years about them. I've heard all the success cases but haven't yet been able to get answer on their success rate. Definitely gonna check into some community colleges and see what they offer.

@groundloop. Hell if I know! I haven't gone over the whole financial aid and student loans, I don't know how it all works. Just going off of his word. But yeah that seems way to good to be true.

As far as I go I wanna learn about composition, lighting, subject, photoshop, Lightroom, image manipulation, among different types of photography. The classes they offer are really great and sound just like what in looking for, but not for 50K for an associates degree. I would like to be a landscape or sports photographer, or automotive. Wanna be a well rounded great photographer that puts out great work.


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Aug 14, 2014 23:42 |  #20

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Lotsa' reading for you in the links in Post #33: Photography School (Schools/Degrees/Bills​/Aftermath = SCARY) Pro's?


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Aug 15, 2014 01:05 |  #21

My two cents, get a business degree it gives you options. For most photographers it's not an ability to take pictures that gets in the way it's the lack of knowledge on how to run a business.


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Aug 15, 2014 01:37 |  #22

Schooling can be beneficial to learn your basics, but like others have said, business education is more important especially if looking to do this full time freelance.

If looking to break into corporate with benefits, I personally have not seen formal education to be a necessity. I have worked as in house photographer for Hot Topic and Wet Seal and have no degree in photography. I was a psychology major but hated being in school and dropped out my junior year of college.

I have interviewed with Forever21 and BCBG and neither were concerned about a degree. They were more interested in my portfolio, my ability to create, and my salary requirements.

With so much competition out there now, I don't think it's worth getting that deep in debt without a backup plan.


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Aug 15, 2014 01:51 |  #23

i've always heard that its better to have a great portfolio than an actual degree. Like someone said above its probably better to get a degree in business and build your portfolio . just my 2 cents




  
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Aug 15, 2014 08:58 |  #24

THANKS! Ill be reading stuff in there for a while! LIke you said lotsa usefull info.

1000WordsPhotography wrote in post #17097219 (external link)
My two cents, get a business degree it gives you options. For most photographers it's not an ability to take pictures that gets in the way it's the lack of knowledge on how to run a business.

michaelanthony wrote in post #17097237 (external link)
Schooling can be beneficial to learn your basics, but like others have said, business education is more important especially if looking to do this full time freelance.

If looking to break into corporate with benefits, I personally have not seen formal education to be a necessity. I have worked as in house photographer for Hot Topic and Wet Seal and have no degree in photography. I was a psychology major but hated being in school and dropped out my junior year of college.

I have interviewed with Forever21 and BCBG and neither were concerned about a degree. They were more interested in my portfolio, my ability to create, and my salary requirements.

With so much competition out there now, I don't think it's worth getting that deep in debt without a backup plan.

nikanon wrote in post #17097248 (external link)
i've always heard that its better to have a great portfolio than an actual degree. Like someone said above its probably better to get a degree in business and build your portfolio . just my 2 cents

I see your point on the business degree. Thanks for the advice!

Whats a good photshop and lightroom class? Is there one online that anybody would recomend?


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Aug 15, 2014 09:19 |  #25

ACESFULL82 wrote in post #17097105 (external link)
I would like to be a landscape or sports photographer, or automotive. Wanna be a well rounded great photographer that puts out great work.

Best thing you can do is just keep practicing. Learn all you can online. Being a landscape photographer is incredibly difficult to make a career of. There just isn't that many that will make it.

You need to focus on a specific genre. People who do landscape/sports/autom​otive photography - you're marketing to very different groups.

This is why you see portrait photographers who do Family/Baby/Wedding - it's very closely related, even though very different types of photography. From a marketing standpoint, you are marketing to the same people. People whom you do a wedding for are likely to need family and baby photography in the future and will likely remember you if you did a good job. Some photographers focus purely on Senior photography. Some only do weddings and that's it. But you don't typically see a Wedding/Realty photographer.


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Aug 15, 2014 09:25 |  #26

You are better off wiping your ass with a thousand dollars than taking out 90k in loans to go to the Art Institute.

Pro Tip: If the Federal Government is suing a school for BILLIONS of dollars, don't attend there.


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Aug 15, 2014 09:39 |  #27

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #17097744 (external link)
You are better off wiping your ass with a thousand dollars than taking out 90k in loans to go to the Art Institute.

Pro Tip: If the Federal Government is suing a school for BILLIONS of dollars, don't attend there.

LOL. I read about the whistleblower claims and the lawsuits going on there. Yeah not a good sign.


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Aug 15, 2014 09:39 |  #28

It's not very tactful, but Thomas Campbell's post is spot on, at least IMHO.

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Never, ever trust the word of somebody telling you you'll take out $90K in loans and only have to pay back $30K. That is not an academic advisor. That is a salesperson trying to sell you on attending their school and saying whatever it takes to get you to sign on the dotted line. When you're done you'll have 90K in loans that you can't pay back and they don't give a rat's rear-end about you because you signed on, attended their mediocre school and have to pay them back no matter what. ...and hey, if you don't, whatever, they'll get it from the government.

I'd stay very far away from any for-profit education mill.


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Aug 15, 2014 09:40 |  #29

Numenorean wrote in post #17097735 (external link)
Best thing you can do is just keep practicing. Learn all you can online. Being a landscape photographer is incredibly difficult to make a career of. There just isn't that many that will make it.

You need to focus on a specific genre. People who do landscape/sports/autom​otive photography - you're marketing to very different groups.

This is why you see portrait photographers who do Family/Baby/Wedding - it's very closely related, even though very different types of photography. From a marketing standpoint, you are marketing to the same people. People whom you do a wedding for are likely to need family and baby photography in the future and will likely remember you if you did a good job. Some photographers focus purely on Senior photography. Some only do weddings and that's it. But you don't typically see a Wedding/Realty photographer.

Yeah i see your point. Need to find my niche and do my best at it i guess. No institute or college is gonna do that for me.


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Aug 15, 2014 09:58 |  #30

ACESFULL82 wrote in post #17097777 (external link)
Yeah i see your point. Need to find my niche and do my best at it i guess. No institute or college is gonna do that for me.

On the other hand, it can sure as hell help you to find your niche and get better at it. People say that a portfolio matters more than a degree, but if getting a degree doesn't make your portfolio better then that's probably your fault and not the school's (generally speaking of course, apparently people are saying that the Art Institute is one of those scam colleges). The point isn't for the college to "do that for you", the point is for it to give you better resources to do it for yourself.




  
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